Man Calls Police to Escort His Girlfriend, Cops Show Up and Shoot Her in the Head

November 11, 2014   |   ANTIMEDIA

Llywellyn Bird and Aaron Nelson
November 11, 2014

(TheAntiMedia) A 40-year-old woman and mother of three from Ann Arbor, Michigan was shot and killed Sunday night after allegedly confronting police while holding a knife.

The woman’s boyfriend, Victor Stephens, 54, challenged the police on their handling of the incident, saying that the use of lethal force was excessive and that the situation could have been resolved through non lethal means. Stephens said:

“Me and her, we had an argument. Glass was being broke, so I called the police to escort her out,”

Police were called at approximately 11:45 pm by Stephens to escort his girlfriend from his property. When officers arrived, Stephens was in a separate hallway in the house away from where the incident occurred and she was pronounced dead at the scene. There were 5 other people at the house.

“They said ‘freeze’ and the next thing I know I heard (gunshots),” Stephens said.

Significant questions are being raised regarding the circumstances surrounding the event, the use of lethal force in the encounter by Ann Arbor police and the investigation being launched by Michigan State police into the fatal shooting.

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Ann Arbor Police issued this statement and Police Chief John Seto asked Michigan State Police to conduct an investigation into the incident, saying that those involved in the shooting and the community “deserve an objective, unbiased review of the facts surrounding this incident.”

Whether that goal can be achieved remains to be seen, as there are clear conflicts of interest with having the police investigate themselves as well as potential difficulties in ascertaining facts as a result.

This concern over objectivity is what prompted Wisconsin to become the first state to mandate outside reviews in police killings earlier this year as a result of activist movements in the state.

Retired Air Force officer Michael Bell, an advocate for this legislation had filed a wrongful death suit against police, who cleared themselves of any wrongdoing after killing his 21 year old son in an altercation. Bell hired his own investigators and submitted an 1,100 page report to the FBI and US attorneys, which brought important evidence and circumstances to light surrounding the incident and police response, and led to the case being settled after 6 years in court.

In researching, Bell also found that, “In 129 years since police and fire commissions were created in the state of Wisconsin, we could not find a single ruling by a police department, an inquest or a police commission that a shooting was unjustified.” Demonstrating how difficult it can be for police to be impartial in their own investigations and citing lack of accountability as the culprit. Bell kept organizing and fighting for what ultimately became Wisconsin’s law mandating outside reviews.

In addition to objectivity in the investigation, police use of lethal force continues to be a major concern, with high profile incidents such as the recent Michael Brown shooting elevating the issue into the national consciousness.

Whether the investigation finds the killing justifiable or not, the question will remain of whether the deceased mother of three could have been disarmed and taken into custody without facing lethal force, and to what extent police should be responsible for attempting non-lethal means of resolution.

While some circumstances certainly justify the use of lethal force, it is intended to be the last resort in ending an altercation and only to be used when in extreme danger. If the facts come to show that this was not the case, accountability must be demanded. If nothing else, because the price for society is far too steep: 3 children will now enter adulthood in society with their mother having been taken from them by violence. And regardless of whether this woman was a good mother or not, this is not the kind of practice that engenders building a better society.

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  1. Cops investigating cops and guess what? No wrong doing found and returned to duty with full pay after a paid vacation. Usual story of cops covering cops. We are all getting very tired of hearing this old story.

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  2. The only cops that should be permitted to have guns should be SWAT teams that are only activated after shots are fired. We need to hire police based on psychological stability and completely ignore skills with weapons. There are too many low-IQ police that do the job for the excitement of killing someone and getting away with it. We need to make the profession less attractive to violence-prone psychopathic personalities.This could be easily accomplished by doing something as simple as making police uniforms PINK or ORANGE so that violent element is repulsed by it and finds a different job.

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  3. Why did he call the police?

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  4. Because hitmen are expensive.

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  5. Lucius it is also in their training. This new military style training needs to go it only teaches them to escalate situations and shoot first ask questions later. The corporate elements involving the privatization of the prison systems also is something that needs to be done away with. From a business point of view empty jails provide no profits for these companies. The business element here has no place in society. It also could potentially provide incentives for these ignorant police behaviors to attempt to escalate situations and hopefully drum in business. Another thing our law makers need to also consider if they are really doing their jobs is the costs of these unneeded deaths in lawsuits. This will end up costing taxpayers greatly when they cannot balance their budgets and the states and cities go broke. Maybe this is why Civil asset forfeiture or plain highway robbery by law enforcement is also becoming so popular. This country needs to wake up! 1984 is on its way!

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  6. It's harder to get on a plane than it is to become a cop in Murica.

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  7. Wow. I live in good ole southern redneck backwoods (as you guys would say) Alabama and even we have outside LEO's investigate when an officer is accused of a crime and have for years. One thing you guys are not considering is the Homeland Security Act which actually gives total autonomy to PDs and militaries. Just be glad most are not using it. These cases presented can very legally and swiftly be dismissed. ANY consideration given is a blessing to be thankful for because it shows there are still fair and rightminded people in some passions of power abd they are still fighting the good fight. Was this excessive? It sounds excessive, but we weren't there. I also work with a great many LEOs and domestic violence calls, psychiatric emergencies, and drug overdoses are the most dangerous calls to run abd they are on high alert for good reason. She may have "threatened an officer with a deadly weapon" abd in most places that is a shooting offense.

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  8. I must agree with the title, if you don't want PD intervention then don't call the PD, just like if you don't want to go to the hospital, don't call an ambulance. Really people, what do you expect from under paid, inner appreciated, insulted, assaulted people with guns? Well, common sense here, what do you really expect?

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  9. I agree with the 21-foot rule, being that a person armed with a knife can successfully attack a person with a holstered sidearm before the person with the pistol can draw and place an accurate shot when the two are within 21 feet of each other. Emphasis on HOLSTERED, because I'm sure it's safe to assume that all the officers involved had plent of time to draw their weapons long before they ever shot. These cops are too eager to shoot, obviously. They're equiped with non-lethal alternatives, so in these situations there should be a designated 'shooter' and the other officers should taze and OC the person if they refuse to drop the knife. Not giving the person a second or two to respond to a 'drop the knife' command then opening fire if they turn around or even flinch.

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  10. Never the right outcome when police involved……tired of no accountability !!!

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  11. Body Cams….Body Cams….Body Cams, Damn It !!

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  12. the cops are psychopaths now, never phone the police,

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  13. Absolutely, "police should be responsible for attempting non-lethal means of resolution". Police have a legal and moral obligation to use the minimum amount of force necessary to affect an arrest.

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  15. Whatta. Puss !! Breaking glass…. hmm…

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  16. I think that the police should put their lives on the line for the rest of us.

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  17. Andy Malone we've been experiencing the groundhog day version of 1984 for several decades already

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  18. and takes hundreds more hours of training to become a hairdresser

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  19. what about when we DO wanna go to the hospital and police show up?

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  20. What was the womans name that was never mentioned…wait ill look it up

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  21. Stephanie Demos They will kill you then as well

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  22. Cops have Tasers & bean bag rounds for the 12 gauge shotguns…. cops immediately use the gun because they complete impunity…. This is happening almost daily now in the USA… Soon the people will get tired of the police killing citizens and revoke their powers… Sadly by force if necessary.. we all know the police won't voluntarily give up their powers… Of course I am not advocating violence….

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  23. Its legitimate…some of the posts have been pretty damn questionable lately…last few weeks cp admins been pretty doucheeee

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  24. Stephanie Demos Like the guy in VT, whose friends called for an ambulance, but police were dispatched instead, so the guy, in the middle of an epileptic seizure was tasered for refusing to respond to police demands, and left permanently disabled.

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  25. Standard operating procedure —- they say drop the knife or do not resist . right before killing you to cover their asses… (( I told him not to resist ))

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  26. Liane Allen There was a recent story similar where they shot the kid.

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  27. Has tazering become just too much of a pain in the ass?

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  28. Put them all on the end of a rope

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  29. POLICE INVESTIGATING THEMSELVES IS A JOKE!
    I personally think there should be a review board that changes with each case, people picked from random like for jury duty to review the evidence and pass judgment. The fact that the police investigate themselves is a joke. Change won’t come without the mandate of the people and people we far outnumber the police.
    I do realize that all of this is me dreaming and due to the mere numbers of the crimes against people and animals by the police would make this impossible. But we as a society can bring about change. The question is when. When will we get tired of the disrespect and brutality displayed on a daily basis by the police? When will those that turn their back on all this injustice turn back around and see life for what it is? I could go on and on with the When’s but you get the idea. We as a society tend to wait until it happens to us before acting but by then it is too late.
    There are more than enough atrocity’s being committed right now against our beloved pets and fellow mankind that should have all of our blood boiling. Change will only come when we as a complete society become one and stand up against what has become a world of Police States who truly believe they are above the law. I doubt I will see this change in my lifetime but then I never thought I would see Cannabis legalized in my lifetime either!!! There is HOPE!!!

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  30. well crazy bitch with a knife got what she asked didn't she. Do not expect to get killed when you threaten death yourself. Typical bitches. Prolly was a female cop too that shot her.

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  31. This won't make them any more accountable. There have already been cases where cams were.cut off or shooting was still."justified"

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  32. PD go on scene first to provide safety for the EMTs/paramedics people do call 9-1-1, request an ambulance, and kill or hold hostage ambulance crews. They more often kill them than hold them hostage.

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  33. Stephanie Demos #thingsthatrequiremoretrainingthanlawenforcement

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  34. Again call for an ambulance if you want to be treated and transported to the emergency department of a hospital. If that's not what you want, then don't call an ambulance because that's what they do.

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  35. Christine Drinkard oh, baloney . pd go on the scene to take power over … they've even arrested firefighters and emts … seriously

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  36. Christine Drinkard And unfortunately, the cops kill those who need help.

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  37. I don't know. I work in two counties both of which are in different states. My primary employ has almost all good cops because the bad ones are gone rapidly. The place I live where I work the least and even avoid working had about a 60/40% to the good which is an improvement over the years, but the bad cops don't get "weeded out" so much there. Maybe it's because it's a metropolis and the primary is not. I don't know the answer to that, but that's how it is where I'm around.

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  38. I meant tazed? I've nut heard if taxing causing permanent disability but the heart attack would have and the seizure, if it lasted to long without turning the patient on his side so he could breathe most definitely could.

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  39. the article states the G/f held a knife when the LE arrived. How about a solution to this mess. When LE arrives, don't hold any weapons and dot force them to shoot. If they say DROP IT, then DROP IT instead of whining how bad the police are for shooting armed people.

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  40. Yeah, cops can murder civilians and get away with it. Are we really surprised about this? Im starting to think that mass civil disobedience is the only way we're going to get anywhere against the pigs that seem to be more interested in suppressing the people than protecting our rights.

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  41. Deliberately escalate situations then kill when they feel like killing, that's what it looks like to me.

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  42. Asset forfeiture was launched in 1984. In my opinion no officer who used it should have escaped being jailed for armed robbery, and there should have been a mandatory minimum jail term.

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  43. If they are not mindless, violent, psychopaths they get washed out of the police academy and never become cops.

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  44. Exactly, never ever call police no matter what. If you have bodies of loved ones laying about get the fire dept and medical response first, then they can call police …. stay with the fire people.

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  45. Maddy, I did not day all cops are good, I also didn't say mistakes aren't made. I did say is they are legally allowed to kill anybody and can stand behind the Homeland Security Act for protection. Until big government laws are amended or reversed this is one that stands. Do something about it other than whining on a social network. Do something that matters. If you don't like it, help effect change. DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHINE. If course this would disrupt your TV watching and your suicidal media. Yes, I'm here tonight because I got sick from running an emergency call in a house full of cats that I'm highly allergic to abd it was on a seizure abd yes the police and fire department were also there abd they were very polite and helpful indeed. But, that's where I an abd I don't know where you are, but maybe you can help it change.

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  46. Same as the government investigating the government. Cops and government, two things that are no good anymore.

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  47. Also, A dead body can't testify against you. The boyfriend heard shots. Presumably, the only people that actually were right there were the PO PO and the victim. The victim is dead. PO PO 1 and PO PO 2 make up a story, stick to it. The union rep or lawyer for the PO PO say "Were you actually in the room and did you actually see what happened? No? Justifiable use of force. Case closed. Given what the Blue gang bangers get away with while being filmed, I doubt these Turds will even get a slap on the wrist.

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  48. Try this – arm yourself , be reasonable and responsible don't call the cops, defend your life as if it's up to to you, because it is.

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  49. These investigations should be done by an independent panel of lawyers unknown to the police.
    The headline says how bout not calling the police? With domestic violence laws these days. He had no choice but to call the police.

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  50. What we really need is an autonomous organization not affiliated with the government but with the power to investigate corrupt practices in the government itself and act to fix them. Something. Some outside entity to investigate the people who NEED investigating.

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  51. It was only a matter of time before the monsters moved from family pets to humans. We all know that nothing will be done to these murderers. The moral of the story DON'T CALL THE COPS!!!!!!!

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  52. sad thing is the don't release the videos on body cams, until they alter them, so much for transparency!

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  53. People can get very emotional. Sometimes people lose control when they get emotional. Cops should know this common sense and not kill every single person who gets emotional. If they have a firearm and pointing it at people that may be crossing the line but when someone has a knife and not near anyone there is no reason to shoot them. Also the guy should not have called the cops. I doubt I will ever call the cops in my entire life. No reason to. I have no need for a 3rd party interloper.

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  54. I’m a former Police Officer, a former elected servant, I have over 28 years Investigative experience in both civil and criminal matters. I’ve been a Certified Fraud Examiner / President of the Alabama Chapter of Certified Fraud Examiners. I’ve work ever type case including: Racketeer Influence and Corrupt Organization (RICO) both civil and criminal cases Murder, Rape, and Robbery. I’ve specialized in white collar crime, financial investigations of terrorist activities and counter-terrorism. Educationally I have an AAS, Police Science, BS Administration of Justice, MPA International Affairs, MS Criminal Justice, and finally MS Education pending completion. I’ve completed studies at Air University / ECI: Intelligence Fundamental and Intelligence Officer and countless continuing Education courses in White Collar crime investigations. So I think any reasonable and prudent individual would consider me an expert qualified to make statements about Police Officers. Now with this laid as my predication. I state the following.

    What happened in Ann Arbor is truly disconcerting and troublesome. It further reflects the disturbed minds of people who shouldn’t be in the position of Police Officer. The shoot first mentality that manifest itself in unofficial policy and the all too willing mentality to oblige a suicide by cop are shining examples of what is wrong with Law Enforcement. In the real world these personality traits should have no standing in an Officer’s lexicon. But it does because those in charge have through their action condoned Constitutional violation of civil rights. In some circles this pattern, practice and habit of doing such would satisfy the standard of RICO violations. The brain surgeons in Human Resources and Administration have failed the citizenry. They’ve failed miserably the people of Michigan by allowing such an infestation of your Law Enforcement agencies.

    Now would someone please explain to me how the hell actions like this inspire faith and trust in Law Enforcement? Everyday Officer gripe and complain about not being respected or see civil unrest as a personal affront. They wonder why they have problems such as that which occurred in Ferguson MO. “Duha” can’t they understand citizen are hesitant to trust Law Enforcement when they continually do things like this? Community based policing is none existing.

    The Ann Arbor POLICE DEPARTMENT PARTICULARLY THOSE IN CHARGE OF HIRING AND TRAINING ARE A SAD, SORRY AND DISGUSTING COMMENTARY TO THE PEOPLE OF MICHIGAN. WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE ARE THESE THAT HAVE NO RESPECT FOR HUMAN LIFE. What kind of people are these that allow such to happen on their watch. What kind of people are these who are all to willing to shoot first and ask questions later. It’s clear to me that they’re improperly hired and trained. They don’t understand the quality of love, mercy, fairness, the concept of three dimensional thinking much less the MEANING OF THE UNITED STATES AND MICHIGAN STATE CONSTITUTIONS. WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE ARE THESE ROCKET SCIENTIST HIRING? HOW AND BY WHOM ARE THESE PEOPLE BEING TRAINED?
    I submit for your consideration the following question. What kind of people are law enforcement agencies hiring these days? Better yet what kind of training are recruits receiving? It seems to me they’re being trained to violate the Constitution. More and more we read and hear news of some atrocity committed by a Police Officer, I.G. the cannibal Cop of NYC, THE NUMEROUS SHOOTING OF UNARMED CITIZENS, HYSTERIA SHOOTING, THE CONTINUED ABUSE OF POWER – EXCESSIVE AND LETHAL FORCE BEING USED THAT’S NOT NECESSARY. How and why are people like this being hired? Think about it!

    Over the last several years the increase of in civil rights abuse has risen. The increase in civil torts and the payment of compensatory and punitive damages have taken substantial portions out of budgets which could better be used for effect and Constitutional Law Enforcement. This naturally leads any reasonable and prudent observer to conclude they’re doing something wrong. Nor does it take a genius to see that what’s wrong is based in the erosion of Constitutional Rights, improper hiring and training. Now ask yourself why this? These are sick – disgusting trends that should not be happening much less ever occurring. People of Michigan bring your departments under control. Start firing: renegades Offices, sorry training Officers, sorry administrators, I.G Chief, Deputy Chiefs, Captains, Lieutenant and Sergeants.
    Demand they error on the side of reasonable and prudent action, Demand they
    start using their God given brains and think three dimensionally and using insight
    and foresight. Make this a political matter with the elected people you put in Office.

    Remember this formula:
    BAD HIRING (INFERIOR CANDIDATES) + BAD TRAINING (SUBSTANDARD NON-
    CONSTITUTIONAL BASED) = CONSTITUTIONAL VIOLATION = (PUNITIVE AND COMPENSATORY CIVIL AND CRIMINAL LIABILITIES) = [HIGHER TAX AND FINANCIAL STRESS].

    Until the day taxpayers get feed up with having their pocket books hit with having to pay damages for civil rights violations in the form of higher tax. “WITHOUT A DOUBT” this is a result of hiring people who are more suitable to the position of Police Officer. Promoting incompetence into higher echelons and turning a blind eye will only result in the continuation of such problems? If the right and honorable people of the your State would get as fired up about this end results as you do “Obama Care” you would be much better off. “

    Russell a high ranking Police Officer with the Korean National Police once told me that the American police cause more problems than they solve. With incidences like this I find myself unable to disagree with his logic.
    I’d like to conclude leaving the reader with this request. Take more pride in your State encourages and demand your Governor, State Legislature, Counties Commissions; all the hiring authorizes to start using psychological testing to determine sociopathic and psychopathic tendencies of current Officers and recruits.

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  55. "The only cops that should be permitted to have guns should be SWAT teams that are only activated after shots are fired" DON'T ANY OF YOU LIBERAL IDIOTS RELIZE HOW STUPID THIS SOUNDS !. Gee, if we just take away everyone's guns, we could all just live in peace and harmony.HAHAHAHAHA.
    Hope I'm the only one left with a gun when you have all others confiscated. Oh wait, will you confiscate them AT GUNPOINT??

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  56. Because there are "pick a fight then call the police people", because some ppl don't actually do hard manual labor during the day and have tons of high fructose energy to stir the pot when they get bored..I couldn't walk in a police officer's shoes for one day or a soldiers..It would be a rough job..Think about it for a minute…I hope those kids have grandparents..

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  57. Don't most all cops carry tasers now? So, these cops with guns and tasers and special training to handle this kind of situation, couldn't have tased and disarmed her?

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  58. Say what you will about body cams, but there was an ordinance passed in a town in Calif and the amount of complaints against officers went down 80% – It would need to be live streaming video that instantaneously went to a server and there are companies that have designed full proof technologically sound units that officers could not turn off at their convenience. If you don't feel this is a running start at this ridiculous amount if brutality and unnecessary killings by officers, , then we must be from different worlds….

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  59. yes I agree that it does reduce crimes committed by the police … and slows down the fake resisting arrest charges police love to file. but we need independent committees to review the police. slc, ut force got body cams and the first incident they refused to turn over the evidence. i tottally support the body cams IF they are public record http://www.evidence.com

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  60. Ok where are the WHITE BAITERS!!!!!

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  61. 21 ft from a rest, not gun drawn

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  62. one lady and how many cops could not take her by hand .3 cops can gang up on 12 your old autistic girl could have done the same hear there gettin out of controll in this country

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  63. Well looky here… Why am I not surprised? What is a life worth anymore? Not much if you aren't a government official or "Policy officer "obviously. We'll get sick of our "collective sheep mentality" one day and wake up. Till then… we'll continue being the prey and fighting each other over shit that doesn't matter like race, sex and gender.

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  64. One more person on our side.

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  65. just remember freeze means the police dont have a bead on you yet they want you to stop so they can take aim…

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  66. additionally take a look at the FN 303

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  67. Itv won't bring back those they turn off the cams and kill, like the guy in NOLA that a female officer basically stalked and shot. .saying she had turned get cam off because her shift was almost over..a cop in California did the same. There's probably tons more we don't hear about. Good idea but what's the point if they don't use them and there's no punishment for cutting them off and they are still found to be justified?

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  68. Why are people still calling the cops? This, the mom who called for help with her kid and he was shot, the elderly guy who called and was shot. ..why call..unless you want someone in your home shot?

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  69. Cydie, I don't think you understand. Cops murdered a man in SLC, Utah about two months ago. Police still haven't released all rhe video that they have. Body cam is an exceptional idea, but when they keeep it videos away from the public it is not good. we need transparency. we need to decide if they did wrong because if its their choice they never do wrong. hope you understand that the police hid the evidernce here so i assume they will hide the reuth always if they can get away with it. plus police are against it because they cant violate rights as much as they would like

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  70. Its called training or lack of police officers these days are trained shoot first ask questions later. Hand to hand combat training or disarming an assailant. Again lack of training this could have been prevented.

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  71. Bearer Ofthe Force Balancers – Did you read what Cynde said before replying?
    "…there are companies that have designed full proof technologically sound units that officers could not turn off at their convenience". What part of that was unclear?

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  72. So sick of these fucking stories about the police when are we going to learn? Lets come together and come up with some sort of petition to stop these unwarranted deaths. Whos accountable?

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  73. you people are poetic posting the vile crap yo do … Person comes at police with knife person is shot , case closed …

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  74. This only proves to show americans, we cannot put our trust in law enforcement. We have involved them in far too many aspects of our lives. Inviting them to "settle" domestic disputes, and this is what happens. I seem to recall other methods other than deadly force being available to officers. Rubber bullets, tasers, etc. instead, a woman with a knife was gunned down?! Shot in the head!? Not in the leg, or other area of her body- but her head. Tired of hearing stories about police officers that believe themselves to be above the law because they wear a badge. So sad. What can we as civilians, do about this??

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  75. Personally I feel that there are a number of cops that just want to feel how it is to KILL, they aren't the type of person that belongs in a civil police force. This was an unnecessary shooting and the killing of a mother of three. If they won't charge these cops they should pay and guarantee that these individuals never again wear a uniform or carry a gun, I don't care what the circumstance this was no a defensive situation. a taser, a billy club or a wounding shot would have still allowed a distraut mother to still be here for her family. Too often cops aren't not the right types of people to carry guns and I feel this is the case here. Shame on Ann Arbor Michigan.

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  76. Cops like these need to be put in prison. Things like this make cops a threat to the point why call them they r the danger now

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  77. What?they don't have tazers?I bet they do…

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  78. This, right here, think these kids will grow up to respect cops? Doubtful. " And regardless of whether this woman was a good mother or not, this is not the kind of practice that engenders building a better society."

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  79. These cops are scared to death on the job. They are taught that they have to think of their own protection above all else. Now you have trigger happy cowards killing people needlessly.

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  80. these individuals WANT to kill

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  81. Brian, sadly you missed it. We can agree having a knife and encountering police is a recipe for trouble. What we don't agree on is that it's an ok response for police, who are employees of the public, to just eliminate people when they have an altercation. Exactly how it unfolded in this case remains to be seen, but expecting pubic defenders to have the highest threshold possible before taking lives is a reasonable expectation for the public to have.

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  82. The same goes with judges, they can revoke everyone of your rights. And there's absolutely nothing you can do about it, as they are completely immune.

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  83. NEVER call the police in a domestic situation unless you are convinced that your life or your kid's lives are in danger. Calling trigger happy armed strangers to the house who can murder you or your partner with impunity is not going to help any situation but the most dire. My parents raised me with the idea that sure, "the police are your friend' but they are not a friend you invite to your home. All police need to be wearing chest cameras for accountability!

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  84. Rusty Hostetler this is so true. My dad is a retired fireman and he always had two pieces of advice, Don't put "organ donor" on your driver's license and don't call the police unless you absolutely must. The firemen will treat victims appropriately, the police may just shoot them.

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  85. Thomas Kirby it is but whats crazy is the U.K doesnt carry guns and the vilence has decreased.

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  86. Before you call the cops, always ask yourself, "How will a bunch of armed sociopaths with virtual immunity to prosecution improve this situation?"

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  87. No one said it was "ok" for LE to go around executing people. but like it or not the individual had a knife and refused to drop it when ordered too. Domestic situations are the most dangerous calls the average LE goes to. Riots are worse but far more rarer then the average domestic call that LE gets on a daily basis. So when LE arrives and they find someone holding a weapon they don't have much time to act. Will the person with the weapon attack them? their domestic partner? the LE investigating? Will the partner stick up for the person holding the weapon and go after the police? Are the residents under the influence of booze, drugs ect? So many things to play out. I am sorry the person got killed but they had to know LE was coming or definitely see them come through the door. Its not rocket science. We are living in a life of 24 hour media. many stories of people killed by LE who have weapons. The LE want to go home to their families when their shift is over just like you & I want to go home after our jobs. Use common sense and put the weapon down when LE shows up. (Even better how about NOT pulling a weapon on your domestic partner or anyone else at home, but that's beside the point. If the person does not pick up the weapon Cops usually don't get called unless there is hitting ect).

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  88. Shotgun bean bag rounds minimum engagement distance is 25 yards, "rubber baton" rounds are intended by the manufacturer to be shot into the ground and ricocheted into the target, if the bean bag or rubber round are fired at less than the rated engagement distance they are Not rated as less lethal…

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  89. Cops these days are scared of a bloidy nose but not stains on their souls.

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  90. Not true gun violence has decreased. Murder and other crimes with other implements such as knives have increased. Killers will always find a way.

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  91. Mike Tackett Don't exactly feel that cops should be disarmed, just modify training where their first method of dealing with a situation is to shoot some one, especially if it involves say a mentally challenged person, 6 officers and 80 shots fired because he has a pocket knife and is scared and confused of such an overwhelming presence. I don't want to see any gun rights taken away its not about that I certainly not about to give up mine. I just want to see these senseless and idiotic deaths and policies changed where our police aren't acting like Schutzstaffel! Not everyone or everything is plain black and white there are gray areas. It doesn't matter who you are or what you believe or what you do or look like because in these situations everyone is a potential victim of theses situations. Feel free to explore the hundreds of videos of such misconducts that are floating out there and tell me if there is a pattern or certain group or anything that justifies all these examples of conduct. People used to rely on the cops for a service and protection. I wont ever call them for anything anymore.

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  92. This sort of thing happens every damn day! It's happening so frequently that it's become common place and is losing it's shock value. People need to learn that you NEVER EVER call the cops for anything! This is what they will bring. They are worthless. It is better to avoid any contact with these bottom feeders if possible. Be very fearful when they come knocking because they will fabricate charges and tailor each crime to cater to their alibi. It's the New World order of this country.

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  93. Robby Rodriguez …. the cops will always find a way to justify their crimes and get off scot-free. There's no prosecuting cops. It's very rare when that does happen.

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  94. The best solution to police corruption is civilian oversight. Yes this has been said many times previously, yet my proposal takes it one step further.
    In my vision all "Internal Affairs" divisions would be replaced by a civilian "Investigation Division".
    Imagine everytime there is a complaint regarding police, that complaint being investigated by civilians.

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  95. Robby Rodriguez Supposedly they had a class to train the police how to block the camera. Where to place it and if need arose, shooting would block the view because of the position of holding the weapon properly. This would save people from having to watch someone actually be shot and die. <<< that was for feel good I guess. Video would be viewed and loved ones might be traumatized …

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  96. Our self defence laws for civilians should also apply to police. And if they did, the majority of police shooting would not be accepted as "Justifiable".
    A larger man beings to assault you(with bare hands) as you walk along the street. You proceed to take out your firearm and shoot the attacker. Since you did not use equal force (bare hands vs. firearm) you yourself the victim of assault would be charged for excessive force in defence of your own self!!
    Now apply the equal force laws to police and see how well they handle an equal fight!!

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  97. On average police kill 3 people a day in the US. 21 a week over a 1000 people a year what percentage is unwarranted??

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  98. With any practice at all that 21 feet better be an Olympic sprinter and you do not need to be that accurate, you have an entire torso to hit with generally a 40 cal jacketed hollow points that opens up to about 1 inch (exactly the same rounds I carry in my 40SW) Also the 21 feet applies to an ambush on a person without them being aware they are in danger, until the knife wielder starts running at them.

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  99. Christine Drinkard a taser is a deadly weapon . it can cause a myriad of health problems, many of which lead to death … including heart attack, seizure, and yes, permanent disability . police are state sponsored murderers

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  100. Christine Drinkard your arrogance in suggesting that you know more or that your opinion is more valid or valuable based upon being an emt is ASTOUNDING . i've been studying these things (making a likely accurate wild guess here) since (quite possibly long BEFORE) you were in high school … beginning with some of the earliest sadistic uses of electricity as weapons of the state

    your need to post lame attempts at insult : 'Do something that matters. If you don't like it, help effect change. DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHINE. If course this would disrupt your TV watching and your suicidal media.' based upon NO information about those you're attempting to insult, only seals the deal : what you say matters not, because you erroneously believe you are superior to those wasting their time engaging with you

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  101. Stephanie, my suggestion to you would be purchase your own gun and take firing and maintenance lessons, to go to med school, and purchase lots of fire extinguishers of the dry powder and CO2 types and learn which fires they put out so you have no need to call the evil 9-1-1 response teams. Because if you or nobody else calls us to you, we won't come. 🙂

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  102. Not insulting, just stating that actually going something about a situation, any situation for that matter, is more effective than complaining and sitting in a corner reading, researching, posting, and griping. I'm sure it makes you feel better to have an outlet, but does it change the situation out just give you something to complain about tomorrow when everything is the same because nobody, including you, did anything to change it?

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  103. So why carry the taser? Extra weight…I mean come on…not like this is a first but there's plenty of instances where you could have disarmed the subject with non lethal force…all that training for what? Tell me how many ppl you know that will hop right up and walk off getting shot in the leg…yea not many..so anyone saying you gotta cap someone because they pose a threat is a pussy and part of the problem…if your scared your in the wrong line of work…if it legit calls for you to use force like that then so be it but its funny how these 6'0 250lbs cops are "scared for their lives" when in all reality they just enjoy the fact they have a license to kill…the police will "investigate" the police and hey worst case scenario you get a paid vacation…lol shit id be trigger happy too knowing no action would be taken

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  104. You are old school sir, you would not make it through the standardized academy that all Government security and police go through now. I am a former EST member and had I stayed in I would likely have been at Ruby Ridge were my Team Commander was the on scene Military Commander out of Fairchild AFB ( find that in any official reports) The situation up there was treated as a terrorist/hostage situation per military rules of engagement. The shooter of Vicki Weaver knew the moment he pulled the trigger … and was a bit shaken. Heavy recruitment by Police and Security such as Hanford was occurring in the Military at that time. A mentality that is used to keep resources that can take down planes or thermonuclear devices out of the hands of enemies and terrorist is not what is needed in a civilian police force, but there it is recruited directly from the best of the best of the best if you will. Overkill, highly aggressive, absolute complete command and control, highly trained but not in restraint but in efficiency, to continue shooting until the threat is no longer present for sure. Personnel are expendable if need be, but the loss of material resources or disruption of our defensive capabilities unacceptable. In Wa State Academy 2 former EST are trainers or were.

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  105. Our most recent shooting is being investigated by the Wa State Patrol … they act like these are separate therefore unbiased agencies even though just a bit ago they was a bunch of mixed agency officers having breakfast together. These are the same people who will be your "back up" you are to investigate. Nice little local place I often have breakfast at myself.

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  106. If an officer of the law says freeze, and you don't, there will be force taken. Obey authority and there would be no more of these issues.

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  107. Non-story. She had a lethal instrument, he called police because he couldn't handle her and wanted her away. Police confronted with lethal force, use lethal force to stop the threat.

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  108. This is what cops tell their families and friends – 'never call the cops, never allow them in your house.'
    So, what are normal people supposed to do?

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  109. YOU HEAR IT ALL THE TIME THESE DAYS COPS KILLING PEOPLE FOR NO REASON,BUT THEY FORGET VIOLENCE BEGETS VIOLENCE WHAT THEY SOW THEY WILL CERTAINLY REAP, THEN WHO ARE THEY GOING TO BLAME

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  110. You mean to tell me she only had a knife. So you need to shoot to kill really . Can you live with that . Feel bad for her kids. What is wrong with all these chicken shit cops. Cops make killing so easy now days. Need more real men on the police force now days.ones that aren't afraid to restrain someone rather than to shoot and kill.

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  111. I say just start killing cops when you see them done deal. Since ya know they think they can do the same. kids with guns!

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  112. She confronts the police whole holding a knife and gets shot. What a surprise. Don't confront the police and they won't kill you.

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  113. If you at close to her and you feel the situation is needed to shoot her, why in the head? Shoot her in the leg or something, that will calm her down quick. The fact the officer aimed right at her head makes him guilty in my book.

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  114. In America, its a rule. A cop has to kill to keep his job and to seek promotion. Adds value to his resume to get selected by private firms. First hand rule being a cop: You are not hired to serve and protect Public or Public Interest but self and their employer.

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  115. Cops life is the best one can ask for. You get to own a car that no one dares to race with, You get to jump signals, you get to stop anywhere you like, park anywhere you like, You have no speed limits, you can turn the siren for others to give way. Visit any place you like, enter anyone's home you like, Question anyone you like, Grab hold of anyone you like. Torture/beatup/kill/kidnap anyone you like, Race your own when you like day/night no restrictions. Take bribes as much as you like, Steal whatever you like, sell any kind of drugs you like but don't forget to give the cut to your boss. Use any weapon at your disposal as self defense, if you need paid vacation make sure you kill someone. what else?

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  116. If she lunged at the officer with a knife in her hand then she got what she deserved. You do not disobey an officer without consequences. Perhaps the family should have calmed her down themselves before getting the law involved in the first place. The officer must protect himself from harm regardless if it was a woman or man. There was a threat and if was resolved before the officer sustained an injury. There are crazy disrespectful out there who don't stop when warned.

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  117. so the conclusion that im getting from this and other recent stories of cops being called to help and end up shooting the "offender" is that im no longer going to call the cops …. there is to much excessive force being used in the recent events and it really has to stop.

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  118. I don't understand why police ever shoot anyone in the head or chest. Why. What about the foot or hand? Either way shooting should be the absolute last resort.

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  119. This kids will grow up hating the police and all they stand for.. way to go police force.

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  120. Why bother with trying to defuse the situation slowly and maybe saving a human being. Time is money, just kill her.

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  121. Here's an idea stop doing stupid shit that warrants police attention and there won't be a problem.

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  122. You know back in the day Police Officers used to put their lives on the line to protect others. Now-a-days its all about "Officer Saftey" and their ability to shoot first inorder to protect their own. Even if the threat is a mother of 3…

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  123. What is wrong with you people? Drop the knife and you live! It's not cops being out of control, it's people like this thinking you can angrily wave weapons and defy lawful orders that gets you killed. When did America get so stupid?

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  124. Time to hold Mayors and politicians directly accountable for appeasing Gestapo-fake-cops. The public must shame the top of the ladder so that remorseless pressure is dropped like lead weight shite onto police chiefs to have zero tolerance for untrained barbaric cops on their payroll- and to charge them with crimes they would otherwise get away with.

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  125. People haven't figured out yet? Police should not have guns. Guns make them think they're special, and that they're above the law. What's wrong with tackling someone if they're non compliant? No gun is necessary

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  126. And this is why 1) You do Not call the police, 2) You do Not need the police and 3) Why the Supreme Court keeps saying they are not there to protect anyone. Welcome to the united Slaves of America.

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  127. Stop calling these criminals. Disarm these sons of bitches. Their only job is to investigate; which one of you idiots thought it was a good idea to arm these animals and volunteer slaves aka public servants? What part of "servant" leads you idiot registered voters to believe that they have any authority over anything, THEY ARE GOD DAMN SERVANTS, YOU DON'T ARM YOUR SERVANTS AND DISARM YOURSELVES!

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  128. It is very simple: stop agressive people, shot in leg. Headshot is plain murder! Its that simple. It might even be enough to fire a shot on the floor or roof. Headshot is execution! Get them on the chair!

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  129. Mind as well arm yourself against if tgey going to pull triggers we should pull a trgger against them

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  130. Why do they even issue tasers if they are just going to shoot people anyway? I thought they started issuing "Less than lethal" weapons so this kind of shit would stop happening!

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  131. When did "Protect and Serve " become "Harm and Fear". I feel like we need to take a close look at the horrific acts that have happened in all these places. Why should the people in charge of protecting the average citizen be put at risk by the people who are supposed to help them. All cops should be put through a mental health evaluation each month. Traumatic events can change a person's mind. A good portion of cops are veterans, these are the people we should be watching most of all. Not because they're more likely, because some people need more help than others. No killing is ever justified. I'm sorry for the family and the families of the cops who are effected by their stupidity.

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  132. why would they kill her instead of using non-lethal force? because they are serial killers… with badges.

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  133. All of the statistics are showing that lynchings of the past are happening at the same pace as extrajudicial murders by professional law enforcement today. Clearly that is unacceptable. Corrections officers murdering inmates/slaves, is the same as plantation killings by overseers of yesteryear.

    Right now people all over AMerica are discussing the Prison Industrial Complex, and America's serious problem with over-incarceration. The nearly 2.5million people currently locked up represent the literal extension of modern day slavery, as allowed by the 13th Amendment- which says; "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, EXCEPT as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted".

    We allege that mass incarceration was only ever devised as a method of replacing a lost piece of the economy, as well as serving as a form of eugenics. We are making the connection between the "New Jim Crow" and the same old slavery; people caught up on plantations, generating massive revenue for a handful of individuals. This is a plague on our country- a cancer on our society. The extrajudicial murders are simply modern day middle passage. Blacks are now an internal, or "domestic" colony, so no more need for a "middle passage"

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  134. Sobering fact: In researching, Bell also found that, “In 129 years since police and fire commissions were created in the state of Wisconsin, we could not find a single ruling by a police department, an inquest or a police commission that a shooting was unjustified.” ~ Michael Bell

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  135. The so called militarization of police began with the LA bank robbery where the two culprits were armed with full auto AK's and dressed in full body armor that they fashioned themselves. Now we have this nut job like the guy in PA that killed two troopers. The soverigns in SC that gunned down police, and a whole lot of other domestic malitia groups as well. Does no one remember the 80's when drug gangs were all armed to the teeth with cheap $150 AK-47's? The force continuum which all US police train by states that you meet a threat with a greater level of force. You go at them with hands and you get met with mace, batons, and Tasers. A knife or a bat will be met with gunfire.

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  136. Bullshit, whay kind of bullshit are they trying to fees us as if we are all stupid retarded ficks right. I Dont believe for one sec that they had to shot her in the head. That pig had a gun she had a knife i guarantee a shot to the leg of they really had to would of stopped any threat. But i dont believe for a sec the pigs are telling the truth. This is another case of police using lethal force when no need. My condolences to the family.

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  137. Good article comrade.. Sadly we've come to a point in human evolution, where sociopathology and narcissism is the norm. I'm not at all surprised that it happend the way it did either, with the boyfriend in another area of the home..

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  138. I knew something like this was bound to happen there. Im glad i recently left Holland and went to New England. The world is so different here, both landscape and society. Michigan is fucked. I just remebered, trying to obtain a new Title the other day from SOS Michigan, the lady was rude as hell and i told Michigan sucks, and is doomed as is she since she is an official there. I was born in Grand Rapids. Michigan is a highly, not talked about, portrayed, or relased to the public in any way, a massive police state empire. You think NSA Server station in Colorado is a debacle? Wait until it is released, very soon, as to what exactly all Michigan is used for.. O.o

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  139. CopBlock has been in operation since 1990 , that's almost 25 years of of cops having cameras shoved in their faces recording the crap they do.25 YEARS, and people still expect justice to be served by the legal system .Wake the hell up ,they won't change ,they have no motivation to change but all the motives in the world to continue the power hungry slaughter of people .Until we the people make examples of them from the top to the bottom will you never see change.People as whole communities have to stand up to this shit ,disarm the cops , seize all their records all the way to courthouses .You follow the paper trails and catch all the slimy ass lawyers and politicians that continue to destroy our nation.It is our duty to put and end to it.

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