Ohio “Open Carry” Laws Could Spell Murder Charges for Cops who Shot Innocent Man

August 31, 2014   |   Justin King

Justin King (The Anti-Media)
August 30, 2014

Beavercreek, Ohio – The killing of John Crawford III by police inside Wal-Mart differs from other recent police killings in one substantial manner. It isn’t that the victim was unarmed, carrying only a bb gun obtained from the store’s shelves. It isn’t that Crawford was on the phone when the officers approached him. It is different because even if Crawford had been carrying a rifle in the store, the officers that killed him did not even have cause to detain him, much less shoot him. Thumbnail credit: eurweb.com

Ohio is an “open carry” state. To put that simply, walking around a building with a firearm is not grounds for arrest, nor does it fulfill the requirement of reasonable suspicion for an investigative detention. So even if police were correct in their assumption that Crawford was carrying a firearm, which he was not, they still wouldn’t have had grounds to question him about it, much less point their firearms at him.

As Cincinnati Police Chief James E. Craig told his department:

John-Crawford-III-e1409203568567“Openly carrying a firearm, by itself, is not illegal. The fact that someone has called 911 or flagged down an officer about seeing someone with a gun in public is probably not enough to support an investigative detention. In such situations, an officer must observe the subject and evaluate whether reasonable suspicion exists to justify detaining the individual. If the individual is doing nothing else that arouses suspicion, simply wearing a gun will not justify detention.”

UPDATE: Video has now been released of the shooting incident. Watch below:

There can be no immunity in this case for the officers because even if he was carrying a gun, which he was not, they didn’t have legal grounds to question him. They were not operating within the law. Police only have immunity when adhering to the law. This was murder.

This is no different than if I, as a journalist, walked up to you at a public park while you were grilling and told you to put the fork down. You laugh and say “It’s not even sharp,” and then I open fire and kill you. You legally possessed an object, threatened nobody, and were murdered by someone that had no legal reason to even question what you were doing. That’s what happened to Mr. Crawford.

This isn’t an accidental shooting during the course of an investigation. This wasn’t a case of failing to comply with a lawful order. This was murder. It must be charged as such, or Beavercreek’s Police will be seen the same way departments across the country are seen. Departments whose officers face daily threats to life and limb from a public that knows the people with the badges are more of a threat to public safety than any criminal on the streets.

Rallies continue and the family has asked the federal government to take over the probe.

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Justin King joined Anti-Media as an independent journalist in July of 2014. His topics of interest include activism, human rights, international relations, and military affairs. Born in Japan, he currently resides in the United States.

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  1. #opencarry

    cops are not special
    They do not wear magic uniforms
    They are not above the law.

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  2. Who is investigating this case? I do hope it is not the local PD. Because we all know it'll be "no wrong doing found"

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  3. Apparently open carry is only for white people….

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  4. cops have been given the green light to police as they see fit- by our US gov.- when homeland security was put into action- along with the NSA and all the other secret agencies- they gave full pardon to officers on or off duty- in order to claim that immunity– they have a few click words to make their case- ( was in fear for my life )–( subject was not responding to commands ) etc….. When security becomes our number one commodity- then all hell breaks loose on it's people. Cops are the first to abuse their authority- they are not on an educational level– and no longer trained in passive action / to be given such powers or military grade weapons.. As long as our gov. on all levels continues condoning these types of murders then we can consider ourselves living under a fascist regime.. And our Congress gave out these powers- And they act surprised that sh– is getting out of control-

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  5. While I stand behind the family of the man whos life was cut short by a trigger happy cop, I dont stand behind racism. Black cops have shot innocent white people. Let it go.

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  6. Moms demand action, Everytown, Brady Campaign, Steve Marmel, Ngvac should ALL be held liable as they suggested calling 911 and screaming "GUN"

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  7. How so my friend

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  8. the asshole who called it in should be detained for they are a reason why this happened

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  9. Add this to the fact that there is videotape, of them shooting this man from behind, without just cause, which contradicts all there official statements, and these officers should be held accountable. Let us see what is "justice" now?

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  10. Do you know what an op-ed is? The story has been reported now it's an opinion editorial or an "op-ed". If you don't know the case it's pretty open and shut. They killed him while on the phone with a store full of wittiness. For having a bb gun out of box. And a bystander died I believe.

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  11. Unfortunately The federal Government is behind the problem with all of this in the first place. I don't know why people keep thinking government is going to help them when they are the problem in the first place. We are supposed to handle things ourselves when government becomes destructive and is no longer for the people or by the people.

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  12. We must not only put pressure on police departments but on the corrupt and dishonorable DA's who work in cahoots with PD's who are only trying to get convictions. It has nothing do with protect and serve or even law enforcement/ if they are not filmed they just make up whatever they can as they go along.

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  13. We must not only put pressure on police departments but on the corrupt and dishonorable DA's who work in cahoots with PD's who are only trying to get convictions. It has nothing do with protect and serve or even law enforcement. When they are not filmed they just make up whatever they can as they go along.

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  14. It was also reported there was a shot fired before the word freeze then a second shot.

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  15. Yes they should!

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  16. Kelsey Apperson Extremely biased??? Maybe you should read the facts that justify the opinions in this piece before opening your piehole and claiming such. The individual had his back to them and even told them it wasn't real when they came up behind him as he talked to his kid's mother. The "weapon" was an off the shelf item in Walmart as were other such items. The journalist is absolutely correct in each talking point and you should get off your little white pedestal and become educated before making such unfounded comments. They once again blew it and murdered an innocent American citizen shopping and doing ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong.

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  17. they shot him because they snook up on him and probably just said drop your weapon. he replies" its just a toy" while on the phone and turning to say its just a toy. the lady that collapsed and died in panic died after shots were fired…that means the damn store wasnt evacuated before they just shot. we all know cops cant shoot for shit so they could have shot a lot more people with their recklessness. The ex marine should have charges brought up against him because that changed the way that they handled the situation because he told dispatch that he saw him loading it and pointing it at people. and the police should be charged for 2 counts of murder, excessive force, and inducing panic….wtf happened to the 6 hr standoffs then just using rubber bullets. or shooting the gun out of the hand like they used too. these fuckers are getting out of hand and they need put back in their place! TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE, AND SERVE THE PEOPLE!

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  18. They will more than likely come out with the usual drivel about how the officer was acting within dept procedures,and then not do shit about it. This man was murdered,pure and simple,and those responsible should be arrested and tried for such!!

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  19. Dude, shut up with your "poor black people, always getting the shaft" bullshit. It happens to more whites than blacks. The difference is WE (white folk) apparently don't merit media coverage. Probably had something to do work the fact that when a white kids is unjustly murdered or injured, we seek legal recourse. Whereas black people go apeshit and make it WORSE FOR THEMSELVES. Fuckin morons…

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  20. Esteban Perico A bystander did die,that is why charges of 1st degree murder,and no less than a second charge of manslaughter,should be filed on the cop in this case!!

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  21. Funny thing, Kelsey… There are links in this op-ed piece to the actual reporting of the incident. You might want to check them out before making a fool of yourself.

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  22. Esteban Perico Yes, there was also a woman who was scrambling to get away when the Gestapo opened fire and died of an apparent heart attack.

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  23. no the cop who pulled the trigger is at fault

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  24. The really pitiful thing of all of it is once he was shot, he switched the phone to speaker and his lady and the parents listened to his final moments before dying.

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  25. Granola Bob i know but they should be held accountable as well there was no need to call

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  26. Joe Anthony Nerino so you deny the notion of white privilege? Sure white people get gunned down by pigs too, but come on, try living in reality..

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  27. How did you go from disagreeing with Pete Geller to disparaging all black people? Count to ten and catch your breath fella!

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  28. I'm so sick of "black people " pulling the race card . Get over yourself . It happens to people of every race and color

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  29. Granola Bob ; Yes the cop should be prosecuted, but the person who started this by calling 911, should also be punished. She should at least be sued for the damages she caused. That might send a message to other "see something, say something" nuts, before they open their mouths and cause a repeat tragedy!

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  30. It's very clear to me. Murder is Murder. Of course we all know how corrupt ohio is, as well as the rest of the united states.

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  31. Joe Anthony Nerino You are the stupid one. Even though it's not always about race, IT IS, MORE OFTEN THAN NOT. There have been literally dozens of pics all across the net of whites carrying guns in department stores. Not one of them was even approached by police. Since you are acting on your own biased assumptions you are now obligated to STFU and have several seats!

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  32. Joe Nerino you obviously have some research you need to do, numbers don't match that statement,,, fucking moron

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  33. Joe Anthony Nerino Your the moron if you don't know why white people don't get media coverage its to make weak minded people mad and divide the people and thats the facts because if we ever start thinking together we would see that we've been played for a long time.your thoughts

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  34. Avarice Wear the cop is supposed to be the professional trained to determine things thats why they are givin the 'benefit of the doubt' and citizens are not. the caller was ignorant but they are not paid to be educated about the law and de-escalation. if the caller hadnt called it would have been just a matter of time for something else to prompt this cop to murder or assault a different innocent citizen.

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  35. Granola Bob Both are at fault. The caller did the same thing that a person in a movie theater yelling fire does. Incite panic. The cops wouldn't have even been there to shoot him if they were not called by someone who likely intended death by cop. The cops are clearly guilty of murder but the caller is certainly not without guilt.

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  36. Ken Berquist There's no such thing as privilege. The absence of oppression is not privilege, it's freedom.

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  37. Mildred Dixon Many white people with guns are approached by police but mainstream media isn't about to show that as it doesn't fit the narrative. I myself have been swarmed by police for open carrying in an open carry state while walking with my father in hunting clothes but keep perpetrating victim mentality. It's bound to work out.

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  38. The problem is that when we 'white people" try to compare notes, it isn't even close. Example, look at all the FB posts about white vs black coverage, and you'll find the stories are much GREATLY more different than the post intends them to be. like the white girl who drove with her baby on top of the car and got probation, vs the black woman who left her children in the car and "was in jail" .. was she in jail/ yes… for not posting bail… she received probation as well… cross check the facts and maybe you wont be ignorant.

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  39. So I guess if I get stopped by a cop and he puts his hands on his waist dose that mean I can run him the fuck over cause I fear'ed for my life cause it looked like he was reaching for his gun? Yeah that's what I thought lol… Fuck cops

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  40. Does open carry mean walking around with your finger on the trigger or does it mean you have your gun holstered? Don't BB guns these days have orange plastic all over them so they don't get mistaken for real guns?

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  41. De Baker would you care to back up that statement with some source data, please?

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  42. Joe Anthony Nerino as as black man…i'm gone have to agree with you on that one. We often so busy complaining to people that can't help us (peers) that they tell us theres no hope and the thugs get away again.

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  43. The store, it's management, the caller and the police are civilly responsible for the death. This is going to be a huge lawsuit! And please, no dumb responses, this quote is for the level headed and legally wise. All dumb ass' I do not have time to explain (go to law school! I don't have time to teach you) but a lot of people are responsible and in a shit load of trouble here if this article is accurate.

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  44. Asking the feds to investigate is like asking the fire department to put your house fire with gasoline.

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  45. only problem is he was supposedly carrying the "gun" as if preparing to fire, and sometimes mock shooting people. (supposedly) Open carry laws don't allow people to just brandish firearms in their hands. it must be in a proper holster in plain view on the hip/leg. or in the case of a rifle, slung on the shoulder.

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  46. I would love 2 see the whole video of him walking around this store. 1.The lady and man that called were the only ones that called.2. Her and her husband tailed him in the store keeping a distance away from him 3. No employees or management saw him walking up and down the aisle point a riffle at people' and she followed him .4. The last time I saw a video of someone in a sporting store with a riffle' they shot up people and that's what the lady and her husband were afraid of. Or was it plain and simple a black man holding one. I'm not be racist but their the only ones that it fazed in the whole store with all the cameras in the store it just happened 2 customers called.wow. 5.they knew just what the fuck they were doing when they called.

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  47. What's interesting as whites compare themselves to this young man and discuss how they were harassed for carrying weapons openly, is that they are alive to complain about it. They were harassed, while this man who only had a BB gun was killed on sight. One has to only look at our jails to realize there is a disparaging difference in the way whites and minorities are treated, especially since statistics show that blacks and whites commit crimes at the same rate. I don't think anyone denies that white cops get harassed or that their are unjustified deaths of whites by police officers. I think the problem is that the problem is significantly higher among African Americans and their are more incidents of fatality. Stop and frisk and traffic stops show that blacks are disproportionately targeted by cops due to racial profiling. I wish this young mans had simply been harassed about his BB gun so he could love to complain about it.

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  48. Joe Anthony Nerino Are you retarded?

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  49. Joseph John Aguirre lol yea…they stopped protecting well before that was passed though they are still servants to the people who pay their checks…regardless, someone who should clearly know weapons couldn't tell it was an imitation. i had a handgun pulled on me from another car and all i saw was the front and identified it as a glock and the police only cared if it was semi or revolver…if i can do that before i even owned a gun they should be able to clerify

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  50. In a lot of cops minds they are and any good cop who does not report a bad cop is guilty of conspiracy.

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  51. Kenneth Munson Sr. That's the thing about delusions: They're only happening in someone's mind, and don't match external reality.

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  52. Dawn Jacobs I know 1993 is "the distant past", and nobody much remembers it, but when white people get harassed for having weapons that scare people, the cops come and burn every motherfucker in the building to the ground, men women and children. Oh, and then they slander their memory and claim that they were all incest-y and molest-y.

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  53. Open carrying lawfully yes this guy would have been covered. BUT this guy did not do that. This guy walked around POINTING THE GUN AT PEOPLE!!!! AND caused a lady to have a heart attack and die!!!!!!!! Smh people try to justify things. Lets talk about the innocent womens life that was taken by this guy!!!!!!Where is her justice????????

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  54. Brian Shaw There's a distinct lack of "and then they shot us" in your statement. That's the difference.

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  55. Jesse Sam yeah. typically with a white man it's "And then he beat me into a coma screaming for my daddy… where I died."

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  56. Hey ken I live in a hotel and guess the fuck what. I'm white. I must be privileged alright yeah. Cops have done alot of disgusting shit in white protests and situations as well (please refer to the hippie era). So take your tumblr privilege buzzword and shove it up your ass

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  57. Dawn Jacobs I cannot deny that difference between my story and this situation. I was harassed at gun point. More than 20 of them but the police who harassed me had the mind to assess the situation before shooting. Not knowing the officers involved in this particular shooting, I really can't form a definitive opinion on their reasoning. Is it possible that they shot him because he was black? Sure. It is also just as plausible that they shot him because of the call they received that said they had an active shooter? Absolutely. As for jails, our jails have about 99% white people in them and the other 1% is Asian and Black. Here it does not matter what color you are. What seems to matter is how much money and how many connections you have but that is a topic for another day.

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  58. Next they'll shoot a ten year old holding one of those multicolored toy guns because they claim it was real and that their lives were in danger. You're not safe holding anything. Hold a banana and they'll cry "gun" it seems.

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  59. Jesse Sam There is actually this rather distinct difference. The call the police got for me was that a man was carrying guns down the street "in an open carry state" and in this man's murder the callers said they had an active shooter. Huge difference.

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  60. However, I would like to add that it doesn't mean that cops should simply stop targeting black men, but what it truly means is that we should all have equal protection under the law. Cops who commit unjust acts should be treated equally to all other citizens that commit the same act. By stopping unjust practices to minorities you correct a system would problem that also disproportionately affect those who are improvished and anyone else who has their rights violated.

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  61. white privilege, you have got to be kidding, I did not think people actually bought into that garbage

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  62. So, meanwhile back on topic…Given the fact that it's an open carry state why did the Police kill a man who was holding a fake gun while talking on the phone to his girlfriend? This is much bigger than race. It's a systemic problem with Police officers. Fighting about race bullshit does nothing but mask the serious problem. Cops have gone wild!

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  63. A majority of you are so blind to what ACTUALLY HAPPENS. I speak of this from my 1st hand experience. EVERY. SINGLE. COLOR. EXPERIENCES. RACISM. That alone nullifies this "race card" jargon. A white kid was just recently gunned down by a black cop and the white kids was…wait for it…. UNARMED! But no, we should definitely reference pictures on the Internet. It's never portrayed lies as verified truth before…try being any damn color of skin and walk around Hyde Park, Dorchester, Brockton, Taunton MASS. I had a Hawaii-born cop cuff me bring me to a cul de sac an old man shake his head no and then put in the back of the cruiser. When asked what my detainment was for: "cause you're a white fuckin punk shut up". And before that I was approached blocks away by another officer running at me with his gun pointed at my fucking face. Ssooooo uuhhh…yeah, all you stuck up "do-gooders" who have NO PERSONAL EXPERIENCE go out and be a young kid. Any color. Any where.

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  64. What about black on black crime???

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  65. I'm just going to add my two cents… This man was not shot for open carrying. The police were told that he was waiving it around and pointing out at people and were told he was observed loading it.

    100%of this situation is rated solely on the Apple that called 911 and blatantly led. It had shit to do with race. So defaulting to that asinine comment. White people are literally killed by police over twice as often and also occupy over 52% of the prison population.

    This wasn't even about open carry, racism, or police using excessive force.

    It's about some asshole calling 911 and blatantly lying, this would have went down exactly the same, whether it was a white guy or not, whether it was a white cop or not.

    You can stop that "woe me I'm black, and your ancestors mistreated my ancestors and I'm still salty about it" bull right now. It doesn't fly in reality.

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  66. I feel bad for the victim family and hope some kind of punishment be served to the officers that committed this crime.

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  67. Jack Carpenter you make a good point but there is no reason to disparage the plight of what a lot of black people go through because of the few who cry wolf for everything. Not cool. It happens, maybe not as much as is being reported but it does happen.

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  68. Joe Anthony Nerino We all fall victim to police abuse…and I am not one that will deny it happens to white people because it does…unfortunately, in more black populated areas cops are bit more quick to prejudge and individual because of the way he/she looks…not cool. Again it is much bigger than race…cops and media use race to cause division and stripe as a weird tool to hide their bullshit and abuse.

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  69. nice stereotype asshole, perhaps it's dumbasses like you that perpetuate this madness.
    dictionary.com

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  70. Joe Anthony Nerino…You Sound Just As Retarded As You Look…Why Do You Think WE ( Black Folks) Use The Media…"Because The Legal System DOES NOT WORK For US The Same Way" So WE'RE Forced To ( Black Folks) Use The Next System Available To Us…Which IS THE MEDIA…Next Time YOU Feel Like Talking This "Shaft Bullshit" Sit Down & SHUT UP…You Sure And The He'll Don't Know SHIT About Being Black In America…

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  71. Tawan- you show me clear evidence of an incident with racism, I'll be right out there calling it out with you. It makes me sick.

    I'll be the first one to admit it exists. But I'll also be the first one to say, if someone thinks it's the majority, or most often because of race, that they are not living in reality.

    I would also like to point out, that in those areas you discussed, you said it correctly, is "cops" are quicker to judge in those areas, because it doesn't matter what the race of the cop in those areas, they are all quick to judge. Which has more to do with the area, the criminals and crimes, as well as the "everyone wants to kill you because you are a cop, so you need to kill them before they have a chance" training they receive. It is a systemic problem, not related to race in any way.

    Though as a result of the high poverty levels and high crime levels both being consistent with large minority pulsations (in no way a claim that one causes the other, simply acknowledging that a relationship exists here, other countries is different monotype) some people like to claim is racism when it had nothing to do with it.

    Not saying it never happens, I'm an clearly staying that it doesn't Halen frequently enough to be a major national issue every other week when the media isn't busy trying to convince us of other absurdities.

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  72. Dawn Jacobs…I Liked One Of Your Post, But Then You Clearly Lost Me On…"You Don't Think Police Should Stop Targeting Black Men"…?
    Tell Me That Was A Typo, And You Meant To Say Something Else…

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  73. Let me ask you poor little white folks a question…..
    If you had a chance to be reborn a black or reborn a white, how many people do you honestly think would say, I would want to be reborn black lol
    I am willing to bet not even a black would say black and for Damn sure not one white would ever want to be reborn black lol

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  74. Police are only people, but they are people in a position of authority. They are also just people doing a job. Now, think of all the jobs you have ever worked and how many co-workers were bad at their job or just plain idiots. Combine that with they type of person the job of a police officer might attract and that can be a really bad combination. A worker at a restaurant makes a mistake, it is easily resolved. An employee of the police department makes a mistake and someone's life is ruined, often with no accountability for the actions of the officer involved. Even though there is race issue in this country, we can't let the media and the government use that to keep us divided. If we cannot work together, then nothing will change.

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  75. Ken Berquist, Hey man you need to stop drinking the Kool Aid. White Privilege? Really? I'm with Joe, I am sick of hearing how tough life is in America for black people. BULLSHIT!

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  76. Stephen Dashner Consider the flipside of what you've mentioned though: In any other walk of life, if you screw up, and someone becomes a victim of your screw-up, you know who they're going to call. But when a cop screws up, not only does he screw up with a gun, but the people they call are his buddies… If anyone gets called at all. It's a recipe for disaster.

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  77. Dawn Jacobs, can you post a link to these "statistics" that show blacks and whites commit crimes at the same rates?

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  78. Jack Carpenter I can agree with most of what you said. However, there is a stigma attached to black people…whether a cop is being racist consciously or unconsciously it happens and most cases do not even hit the news. Now, that said people make their own choices. I am from Paterson New Jersey and if you've seen the movie "Lean on Me" starring Morgan Freeman then you have a good idea of what the city of Paterson is like…not much opportunity and there is a lot of violence but I CHOSE something better for my life than to fall in line with the stuff that plagues the city. Paterson also has some great people and great areas…it's like a little NYC. Some people do not feel they have an out and so they just conform to the environment. It's really a shame that race is brought up so much. I am just over it. It's fucking skin at the end of the day. The real issues are class warfare and over-policing! Not every cop is bad…and I will venture to say most are good and chill people but those same good cops are stained because they do not report the bad cops like they should…so now they are under the same umbrella. Over-policing needs to be eradicated.

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  79. #1. the couple filed a "false police report" by calling to police and stating something was going on that wasn't. #2. the couple also disrupted the public by causing an unnecessary scene "Disorderly Conduct" that caused a bodily harm and a murder/ manslaughter. #3. The store management and employees should have immediately got the police under control and the situation (The management (DBA, the store) are ultimately responsible for all activity on the property including police involvement and by law have to know what the cops are doing on the property because it is private property in the first place, this is why police have to be called to Wal-Mart property with a problem because it's not public property as a cop can walk freely on public property and can not on private property). #4. The management or store did not call the police regarding any incident at all (they were unknowing of the couple conspiring in their store and that goes back to management being responsible for the store, employees and clients safety). #5. The police used extreme and unnecessary excessive force with no probable cause resulting in death. #6. Just because some one calls the police does not mean a crime even took place. This is why we have "Filing a false police report" laws because people have been know to fabricate a police report out or retaliation, hate, what ever. #7. That's why the police are told to "investigate a situation" before taking action or engaging a suspect, because it can lead to a lawsuit or felony prison sentence against the police and informant/complainant if the cop is wrong/deliberate/biased in a situation just like this one. I hope the police and the two peoples lives are ruined and they have to go into hiding for their hate! "Justice" is Greek word and does not mean punishment stops in a court room. It means a mother fucker will pay sooner or later for their crimes and the word does not decipher if it is at the hands of the public or courts. America seem to pedestal their murderers and even in so many ways lust with murdering innocent people and pride themselves with it, Casey Anthony, John McAfee, Amanda Knox and so on. America need to remember it is surrounded by a world "Surrounded!" Don't forget it America, there will be no escape in the end! That is what America does is apply Stockholm Syndrome to it's people and the captive believes what the captor is doing is right. That is what Stockholm Syndrome is about is forcing someone to believe what the bad guy is doing is right. And like this country today, Hitler also had his people convinced they were unstoppable and untouchable as the leaders of this country (the U.S.) have it's people convinced. Then the SS started to kick in the doors of all people including the German peoples using the excuse they were looking for criminals (jews) in "all" home's with a (warrantless search), sound vaguely familiar? I don't like police because they hurt good people and want to kill good people, because that's what bad people do, is hurt good people out of hate because they are nobody and hate life itself. Here is my story. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMy6vcPFtbc
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  80. Lol at whites denying the fact they have advantages!! If you're poor and white it's cause you want to be!! Lol you have the advantage of looking like those in power!! That's why they look down on poor whites, you ain't got nooo business being poor!! And the simple fact several whites don't even want to hear about a black Mans blues, yet they flock to comment negatively about an experience they may never have speaks volumes!! I can almost guarantee they'll say I'm not racist!! I don't even take those type white folks seriously, more than likely they don't have any more experience outside of white other than what they see in media!!! Why even bother with that closet racist!! They're not even brave enough to convey what they feel!!!

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  81. Nobody EVER had a policy of shooting a gun out of someone's hands.

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  82. fairly racist comment if you ask me.
    "keep racism alive , its makes us money " Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson 2014

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  83. @Henry Robinson you just comment of the day, and by reading all these comments proves your point and demonstrate how divided we are as a people.

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  84. Dana Lo Basically 'race' is the continuous topic? We bitch about the media fueling the race divide and discussion and yet we continue to make it part of this topic which in my opinion has nothing to do with race and everything to do with over-policing; and an over-the-top 911 call!

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  85. Throw the book at them and put them in general population, like they would do to anyone else.

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  86. You all can go back and forth about race. I'm not falling for it. This is about cops losing their damn minds. A black cop killed a white teenager for no damn reason…but there isn't a discussion about race because it's much sexier to talk about a white cop killing a black teenager…it's all bullshit and and takes the focus off the real problems. Cops screwing up and not being held accountable for their actions!

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  87. Stop segregating and open your eyes.. While there is obviously racial problems abroad, this is not a White vs Black issue. It's us vs Them

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  88. That was a pointless, stupid comment. Go take your "white privilege" nonsense and wipe your ass with it.

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  89. Stephen Dashner "I was doing my job" was used at the Nuremberg Trials in 1945. Is this what this country is becoming when citizens can say people in authority are doing their jobs when they break the law??

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  90. Kenneth Munson Sr. I was not saying this is any sort of excuse that can explain the wrong doing that is occurring every day. I was using that to frame the question that followed which was "how many co-workers were bad at their job or just plain idiots." Also note that my reply was in response to an earlier post which stated "cops are not special, and they are not above the law." I agree with those statements, so I apologize if my post was not clear enough.

    A: Saying they are doing their job does not excuse abuse of power
    B: Police should not be above the law
    C: There needs to be accountability for the crimes they commit and the lives that they ruin.

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  91. Law enforcement officials should not have to wait and watch for a crime to take place before questioning someone that has an unconcerned weapon. Any law abiding citizen should not have an issue with being checked out. The law officials should also be courteous and. Careful at the same time. Attitudes can get good and bad people killed.

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  92. Did you forget about Eric Scott the former West Point white cadet who was blown away outside of Costco for doing a lot of nothing wrong because some idiot at Costco called police and made up a big BS story?The reason a lot of this happens is because people call the police and lie and make a situation much worse than it really is.Those are the people who should be blamed and taken to court.

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  93. Ken Berquist,Did you forget about Eric Scott being blown away at Costco?When people are white and get blown away it rarely hits the news but if they are black it's all over the news I've noticed.Why is that?

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  94. To all the ones saying we as blacks always pull the race card no that would be you guys always bringing up the race card go to he** and

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  95. Brandi Davis Seriously enough I don't think all or even many black people pull the race card. I think there are a select few who do of course as it drives their political ideologies and then there are those white people with some weird guilt thing going on for something they weren't even alive for that run to the front line screaming race and hate. I also think that black, white, purple or whatever the heck, can't get ahead if they view themselves as victims. They have to rise above all that.

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  96. James R Miller, that's your retort, you Fucking inbred backwoods idiot lol
    I see why idiots live in KS lol

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  97. Ken Berquist , "white privilege" ??? seriously what in the hell is that? there is NO privilege to being white.

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  98. Brian Shaw in California being party to a crime even if you don't participate = same as doing it. Especially with felonies. There is a kid in for life, now, because he was with some friends that decided to jack someone at their house and someone got shot. he's in for as long as they are and he wasn't a participant.

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  99. Wow it's really funny how quick whites are to tell us what we should get over and how we should feel really stop it all ready you don't have that right it's not your place to judge get over yourselves always you who thinks you can run sh** gtfoh

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  100. why was it out of the box. why was he pointing it at people. damn ass. i am sick of this picking on a poor black kid. when cops tell you to drop it you drop it. i think the poor lady who had a heart attack because this dumbass was pointing a gun at people should sue his family. oh but she was white.

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  101. Yes the officers are guilty and need to be punished. But so does the person who called it in and made it seem like an active shooter situation

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  102. People lets leave the race out of it. Its not about color its about cops thinking they are above the law. Reality is black cops do the same stupid shit. Stop thinking about race and attack the issue which is police brutality period. Example I just saw a video of a black female officer dumping a white male who is paralized out of his wheel chair .Nobody is claiming race issue on that but are treating it exactly how it is as police brutality.

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  103. Your absoulutely right and don't forget the mom who died of a heart attack who has caught in the middle of it. There were two deaths.

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  104. No they shouldn't but If you read the whole story it's legal to carry in that state that means anyone of any color and they are not allowed to just stop a question If they have no cause if he did have a real gun it was legal no matter his color

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  105. He didn't do what he was accused of first off so he's not responsible the callers lied

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  106. Brandi Davis I read the whole story I was making a general remark about open carry. I would have no problem showing proof if asked but would be upset if I was mistreated.

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  107. Jim really all of what you said is stupid it's ones like you who don't have the facts that keeps racial issues going with your stupid comments

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  108. It does not always have to be about race. I hope the cops who did this get what's due them. But, Damn the race card gets old after awhile. Plenty of whites get shot and killed… By both races…

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  109. Lol and this comes from people who believe this anti media bs website. Have you not read from eye witnesses that he pointed at people??? And I guess everyone lies??? The very first article list the callers as "irresponsible adults" that called. How can they be considered irresponsible? Where is that fact? Because they called 911 they are irresponsible? This is a bias website. For the longest they was like "oh they shot him because a toy gun" bb guns arent toys. So yet again they had that fact wrong. And yet you still believe this what you read. Seems like you would believe this site if they told you the grass was blue and the sky is purple too.

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  110. you just cant take the truth just like all dumb o crats. all bb guns at wal mart are in the box. it just another poor picking on me black thing.

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  111. Jeff Falkenham Who ever called it in made it sound like an active shooter situation saying he was pointing it a people and kids scaring people.. The video released showed that was not true.. Its the equivalent of making a false report. The cops charged in thinking he was an active shooter.

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  112. You obviously don't know a thing about Stockholm Syndrome. Stockholm Syndrome is becoming attached to and empathizing with your captor. Has NOTHING to do with forcing captives to any specific belief

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  113. NOBODY witnessed the man pointing the rifle at ANYONE! The only ones who claimed as much were the 911 callers. The SWAT'ted

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  114. What does "open carry" have to do with this article? The article should be titled something to the affect of: "Ignorant gov't worker kills innocent Citizen."

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  115. well from what i read it does say itwas at costco i googled eric scott and erik scott came back. the article also states he was metally disturbed. probly having a mental break down. it may be the wrong eric but go ahead google it tell me if u read the same. ……..and you will. so no i didnt lie. im not pro black or pro white its just not right what police do. maybe it does happen to white people and just not televised enough.

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  116. People we can complain or we can take action…

    I've started a petition on Moveon.org… IT'S called The Mike Brown Act…

    I've petitioned President Obama and Congress to pass a bill into law that protects the inalienable right to live…

    I feel if a person is unarmed then he doesn't pose an imminent danger to a police officers life… The police then should use a non-letal tactic to subdue a suspect…. If a unarmed citizen is killed by a member of law enforcement it then it should become a federal case and defined as murder…

    The problem is that the decision to take life is so easily made when the suspect is African American… To me it becomes a civil rights issue when African American men are overwhelming denied the right to life in these situations…

    I am also asking that the training of law enforcement be federally regulated… I believe that If there is a uniform standard across the board on how law enforcement engages citizens then there is more accountability for their actions… Meaning if the option to take a life is the absolute last and final solution to dealing with an unarmed suspect in a list of protocol then the officer must prove that there was nothing else that could be done…

    I also believe that body cameras being worn by all members of law enforcement will eliminate most if not all of police brutality in America. I believe that this will be a deterrent to those who pursue a career in law enforcement for reasons other than to protect and serve all citizens from crime and upholding the laws of the land.

    Law Enforcement Officers are professionals and they have the power to take life. But with the power to take life should also come with the responsibility to preserve life.

    If you agree with me go to Moveon.org sign the petition Mike Brown Act and share to your timeline so your friends and family can sign it too… or go to my page there is a link there…http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/mike-brown-act.fb51?source=c.fb&r_by=8182194

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  117. I'm still concerned that we haven't heard anything about the footage from Wal-Mart's security cameras. Did the man point the gun at any other people? Was he threatening people? Cameras in Wal-Mart are as ubiquitous fat tourists at a beach. Why haven't we heard anything about the footage?

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  118. Same as it always is (WE FIND NO WRONG DOING) according to these grand (jokes) jury..

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  119. I think that police officers should be required to know the law, before they can become police officers.

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  120. This article was FINALLY was written with no mention of "a black man" being shot, and yet still…out comes the race card. When will the "sheeple" wake up and realize the media creates this divide to keep people from seeing the real issues like how oppressed America really is, and prevent us from creating a united front.

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  121. Again you seem to think you can speak for how blacks feel who are you and how the hell do you know what political party I'm for seems to me your showing your dumbness

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  122. Dee Muhammad, why did you call it a "rifle"? It was not. It was a BB gun. NOT a firearm.

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  123. Sorry if he wad white no one wouldve called or flagged the police and police didnt follow protocol and committed murder the white guy lives go to hospital declared saved while people of color dies

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  124. Craig Gavin yep, in the Declaration of Independence one of the crimes of King George was protecting Soldiers from punishment Via Mock Trail for the murders that they committed against the citizens of the states… We got the same thing today.. Don't we… Isn't it funny how History repeats itself..

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  125. Dude if any of you here really believe that race played an issue you've never been to Beavercreek one of the most racially diverse areas in Ohio, this was caused by the media blasting shooter here and shooter there, shooter everywhere for the last how many years, the air is so charged with the idea of crazy shooters that just the call led two officers in a very quiet town into a scenario that they probably replayed the worst possible over in their heads before they arrived and one officer jumped the gun. Not because the guy was black but because he was scared that he was walking into a sandy hook scenario…….. Get a grip and quit race baiting!!!!

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  126. ALRIGHT PEOPLE ENOUGH OF THIS RACIST BULLSHIT. CANT ANY OF YOU SEE BY NOW THAT THE RACE CARD IS NOTHING MORE THAN A COVER UP OF THE REAL PROBLEM. THIS SHIT HAPPENS TO WHITES BLACKS INDIAN CHINESE HALF BREEDS,PURE BREEDS AND ALL BREEDS. AS LONG AS THE COPS HAVE US FIGHTING AMONGST OURSELVES WE ARE BLIND TO THE TRUE SITUATION AT HAND. iTS NOT ABOUT RACE ANYMORE PEOPLE IT 'S ABOUT RIGHTS AND WHO THE GOVERNMENT CHOOSES TO HAVE THEM AND SHOULDNT. I AM NOT SURE IF ANYONE HAS NOTICED BUT HAVE YOU SEEN AND HEARD OF A CERTAIN BRANCH OF GOV HERE TREATING WE THE PEOPLE IN A MANNER THAT WOULD MAKE OUR FOREFATHERS ROLL IN THEIR GRAVES? IS THIS WHAT THEY FOUGHT FOR,STOOD UP FOR? LAYED THEIR LIVES DOWN FOR? I THINK NOT. WAKE THE FUCK UP PEOPLE AND STOP PICKING THE EASY FIGHT THAT ONLY GIVES THE COPS THE RIGHT TO TAKE MORE OF OUR RIGHTS AWAY. LETS TAKE THE FIGHT TO ALL THOSE PIECES OF SHIT THAT JUSTIFY ALL THESE COPS KILLINGS SAYING IT WAS JUSTIFIED THAT IT IS OK .TO NOT USE THE SAME LEGAL SYSTEM THAT WE ANSWER TO AGAINST THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE COPS AND WE ARE NOT. WHAT EVER HAPPEND TO WE THE PEOPLE,THE RIGHT TO BE FREE AND THE DREAM OF LIFE-LIBERTY AND THE PERSUIT OF HAPPINESS. WHAT HAS HAPPEND TO OUR AMERICA? WTF !!!!

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  127. Hey, I agree, cop is a murderer & should be charged. But please, please do not let those ass-hats Jessie Jackson & Al Sharpton get involved. They only make it worse. P.S. I'm a Republican.

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  128. Police were called to the Walmart by several people placing 911 calls that there was a man with a gun in the store waiving it around at shoppers. Police came and told the (at this point) suspect to put down the weapon. Since he failed to comply, he was shot. Seems fairly clear cut to me. Toy gun or not, the cops cannot stop and argue whether the gun is in fact real. They cannot take that chance.

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  129. This article doesn't point out that the only person to call 911 was saying Mr. Crawford was pointing the "rifle" at people and even said he as loading it. My question is was Mr. Crawford actually doing that? If not then this is a case of "S.W.A.T.ing" where people call the cops and make a false report to have the police respond as aggressively as possible. The police who responded got possibly deliberately misleading information. Not only should the police be investigated bit the 911 caller needs to be held accountable if they did in fact lie to the 911 operator.

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  130. What people fail to realise is that this goes far beyond a racial issue. Is this a racially motivated crime? Absofuckinglutley! Are 90% of police brutality cases on the minority race? Fuck yeah! Do cops go looking for trouble with minority races specifically to harass and brutalise them? Of course, they do! This is a proven fact! Are black people the only people to ever get brutalised by police? Nope. Do caucasian people get it nearly as bad as black people or other minority races? HELL NO! This similar situation happened to a caucasian friend of mine and he was put in handcuffs but let go like 10 minutes after. Not to say that the cop wasn't being a bitch about it because she absolutely was. Talking back my ass. Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is that this is a HUMAN issue! This is an issue of human rights and how they're fading away more and more! And not just human rights! Right to life in general! Every 98 minutes, a dog is shot and killed by police! We are letting our laws be enforced by pigs and instead of doing something about it, people are debating whether or not institutionalised racism exist and fighting to the death over whether or not a crime was racially motivated! WAKE UP!

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  131. You know its funny in the article it never even once said race had anything to do with it, this is just an innocent man, who was gunned down by police, who did nothing wrong, except be the victim of a trigger happy police force, yet it shows you as much as whites wanna say its us making a big deal out of it, its really you, I guess you forget the race riots in chicago and all around the country that were started by whites, who then went in to blsvk neighberhoods and lynched and murdered innocent black people, and since when has this country been bad for whites since when have whites been oppressed, lol I mean come on the statements and comments some of you make me wonder how educated the majority of you are,

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  132. For all the ones that called 911. I sure would like to know how they feel right about now. Their calls were the root cause for this incident. They should be investigated as well. They cause all of this to spiral out of control. Especially the one who claims Mr. Crawford was waving the gun around pointing it at people. A Lie/Sinister Move/Call I say…R.I.P. Mr. John Crawford…#JusticeWillBeServed…

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  133. Yes we have a open carry law but that does not me carry a gun in your hand. First we should check to see if Walmart had a no weapons sign. Then your open carry means that it is on your body where people can see it. NOT IN YOUR HAND. This is not a black or white issue that people are making this to be. The issue is he did not listen to the cops! When they tell you to put the weapon down (no matter what it is) YOU DO IT! Common people this is 2014 we should be way past the racism here and look at the real issue! He didn't listen!!!!!!!

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  134. Congrats everyone. You all have fallen for the same trap they throw every time. It's tragic they fired upon this man. Yes, racial profiling was involved, more than likely on purpose to perpetrate the ever growing divide to keep us at odds with each other and not the real enemy.

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  135. Here is what is going to happen: The police department will investigate itself, and exonerate the shooting cops. The district attorney's office will be requested to make an investigation, will look at the police internal investigation report, shrug and say " Well… nothing to prosecute here! See? Even the cops say the cops are innocent!" The family of the deceased will then get a hot shot lawyer to sue the city for wrongful death and either: A) The city will settle out of court for an undisclosed sum, which the taxpayers will have to pony up. Or B) The judge in the lawsuit will find a totally irrelevant, minor mistake in the hot shot lawyer's case, and dismiss the whole thing without prejudice, denying the plaintiffs anything. The media will play the "race card", a few people will get all upset and protest, and the protests will fade after a few days. And the cops and judges and lawyers will all live happily ever after.

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  136. I am very much in favor of the 2nd amendment , and people's right to keep and bear arms, but here is a policy Walmart might consider voluntarily adopting: No more sales of realistic looking toy guns. Guns are NOT toys. We would go bananas if Walmart started selling anatomically correct dolls for little girls. Why on Earth do parents put up with boys playing with toy guns?
    Again, I am not in any way disparaging anyone's rights to keep & bear arms. But people should be taught how to use guns properly, and in the proper context when they are mature enough.

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  137. Ray Liptak, not at all, I think most blacks and other races are just as proud as any other race, but my point was, looking back on history, it was a blessing to be born white.

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  138. This happens all the time in Chicago. Cops cover for other cops. The unspoken rule is: "Kill 'em, less paperwork." Survivors initiate lawsuits. Very costly for the city.

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  139. I don't know the law so correct me if I'm wrong but if you can open carry that does not mean you can have it in your hand outside of a holster.

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  140. These are the type of discussions we should be having,not so much discussion about Blk n Wht,but about right n wrong..truth is these type of cops don't giva shit about what color,they shoot ur azz at the word go!

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  141. They need to press murder charges against the people that called 911 and lied about the situation.

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  142. Everyone's talking about the cops in this article. Try this.. my prayers to the young man and his family for this death. Sad that this happened.

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  143. The government is trying to provoke marshall law. Thats the reason they are publicizing all these police shootings on people of color. I dont fuck with the police. If I need help id rather call batman

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  144. Unfortunately neither the police nor the Judges in Ohio know Constitutional law and are not able to follow it even when it is spelled out for them. In 2008, the police in Marysville OH were called out on a report of a man carrying his gun into his house. My husband happened to be walking home in the same area (affluent white area) when the Vonnegut defined fundament-officer Diehl jumped out of his car with his gun drawn and stopped my husband. When my husband told the officer he did not want to talk to him, picked up his computer case and turned to leave, he was tased, arrested and convicted for not wanting to talk to Diehl. So it does happen to old white people too. My only consolation is that these are the kind of cops who end up screwing up once to often and either lose their jobs or worse. # Looking forward to that day

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  145. I wanna be F.B.I. so bad

    exclusivly dedicated to stopping crooked cops

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  146. No one should be blaming anyone till they see video evidence. If he was pointing the gun at anyone the cops have all the rights to pull the trigger. Even if he is just carrying the gun in his hand and did not drop it than the cops still could have had the right. If the gun was on a sling around the guys shoulder which it would not have been the cops would have been at fault

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  147. First off, if you knew all the facts you would know he was in fact pointing the gun at people thus inducing panic! Which is grounds for the officers to detain and question. And when REFUSING to drop the weapon this is also grounds for questioning. Geez. Not everything is about race. And people who turn everything into race issues are ignorant.

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  148. No justification here: Based on reports/video evidence, the victim was on his phone and was not even holding the BB gun in his hand at the time he was shot. You add the law that states it is legal to carry a gun openly and you have a case for murder. I respect the office of an officer of the law, but I cannot support an officer who forgets the "of the law" part.

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  149. your laws over there are a fucking joke. Just imagine. If the right to bear arms wasn't a right, none of this shit would have happened. White or black, more poor bastards in the wrong place at the wrong time will die because so many people believe it's a good thing to carry a gun. And when coppers are causing needless deaths, you know your system's fucked. All I can say is I'm really glad I don't live in America.

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  150. Jack carpenter last I checked guns made a sound… So you expect me believe they wouldn't be able to tell he wasn't shooting? Nice try if he were people would running from the store and they would've gotten several 911 calls… You sir are not very smart!! Hope you never serve on a jury!

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  151. The guy looks more like the life of the party than a terrorist. Rest in peace John Crawford III.

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  152. This is clearly a issue of race and if you don't think so then I will not take the time to dumb it down for you.

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  153. Forget about the truth! I'M BLACK AND I'M THE VICTIM HERE, OK WHITE GUYS? Very funny! Keep watching the Main Stream Media, Reverend Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson and you'll never get out of the slavery hole you are in. Does the truth hurt? Bash me if it does!

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  154. the whole racist stuff , JUST REMEMBER "black" folks ,your country enslaved "white" people BEFORE America was America. AND, its is your "home country" ,that still has slavery to this day , read some history books will yah.

    And just to note , when you say "white" people , do you include Asian, middle eastern, northerners, etc etc etc???? or just "english white" people????? just curious as to understand what type of "racism" you portray.
    Your ignorance and self centered-ness is prevalent.

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  155. Let's cry about race! Wouldn't it be nice, if instead of crying and bitching about "race", that we address the problems as a people? Obviously, the cops were wrong, what else can you do about it? Fight police brutality, it's that simple. What do people want? More white people shot and jailed to even the odds? That's morally righteous of you. All we CAN do is unite and fight police brutality together. People are destroying themselves by dividing themselves and letting the powers that be continue with business as usual. Wake up. Lord.

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  156. I've read another account of this situation entirely. Wasn't the victim screaming out threats to children and pointing the gun at them before getting blasted whilst on the phone?

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  157. Most racist comments i see here , are all from people that aren't "white". go figure. Bunch of river whining hopefuls. "poor me , poor me , my poor people", yep YOU said it folks, your "poor people" should be your fellow Americans. Not your self made ghetto neighborhood folk. You "repress" yourselves.

    Let the "hate" comments commence!!!! GO!

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  158. Can you please provide more facts in this case, or maybe a link to the report? I am just curious if the young man was possibly brandishing? Did he have the weapon in his hand?
    Thanks in advance,
    JV

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  159. This idiot was walking around a public place with a gun that looked real and was pointing it at people making "bang" noises. Open Carry law shouldn't matter in this case. If you have something that looks like a gun you should not be pointing it at people that you don't know. That's just common sense.

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  160. I was literally robbed by the Beavercreek police. A woman officer who owned an antique shop with her husband put my drug riddled ex wife up to selling her my most valuable family heirlooms! The medals from ww2 that were placed on my fathers chest, the flag that draped my grandfathers coffin, the furniture that belonged to my great grandmother. I could go on and on! Thanks patrol woman Sara Ball! Hope you enjoy them and make a lot of money from them! You are such an upstanding keeper of the peace! It was a conspiracy! There was no way to stop them. The judge said she had every right to buy those from her when I had been forced from my home for a bogus domestic violence charge. They are the crookedest cops in the state!

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  161. First off, nobody knew it was a pellet gun. The MK177 looks just like an automatic rifle. Second, eye witnesses said he was waiving and pointing it at customers, that induced panic. One woman died of a heart attack running out of the store! Third, he did NOT comply when ordered to put down the weapon. These were all his choices. Every choice has a consequence, good or bad. He made bad choices that got him killed.

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  162. Could? Should! SHOULD! WTF. In the response time it took them to get to the store the man had harmed nobody. He was not holding the gun or pointing it at anyone. How was this reported? As a robbery? 911 call? This was a blatant case of "shoot first because he was black."

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  163. When you don't praise the White man and always agree, you have to be uneducated lol typical

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  164. I actually would blame the media for creating such a fear society, and brainwashing all the people that if you see something that looks like a gun, it is automatically bad. They should be held accountable, along with the irresponsible cops who pulled the trigger. The media does trial by TV, condemning without fact or knowledge. They have led us into wars, riots, and the degradation of society.

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  165. Black cops must be much better at their jobs, because it is extremely rare for a black cop to kill an un armed white person… It almost never happens. You know that's true, unless you are too blinded by racism to recognize the truth, even when it's staring you directly in the face.

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  166. Cops should be charged, man had his back to them and this is an open carry state of which a 911 call or person telling the police does not rise to the occasion of imprisonment or arrest…not to mention death.

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  167. Judging PURELY from the video evidence, the officers involved and the one who called 911 in the first place should be held accountable. Anyone who caused the death of an innocent human being, be it directly or indirectly should be held accountable for their actions. The video shows a man pick up an item off the shelf, and continue shopping, minding his own business. Then he is tragically gunned down by the police officers responding to an erroneous 911 call. What the caller reported and what the evidence show are two completely different things. The caller gave a false statement to, I assume, get a quicker response from the police. That said, the police officers were at fault for being way to overzealous and shooting first before the gentleman in the video had time to respond. Did race play a role? I can’t say. I can, however, say that racism IS alive and well in this country. I live in the south and see it every day. While there are many people commenting on here that I both agree and disagree with, there is one person in particular that has garnered my ire. Pattie Hibbs Wilson, with absolutely NO due respect, you dear lady are a fucking idiot. You are a racist (using the term “hood rat” is a dead giveaway) and have no clue what you are talking about. You claim to have a criminal justice degree, yet you ignore the evidence that this man did nothing wrong. Anyone with a criminal justice degree can see that in the video. Also, you bring up his criminal record like it was of relevance to this particular situation. The person who called 911 made a false statement, the officers on the scene responded to that with a tragic outcome. It’s not like you can immediately look at someone and know they have a record. It was a complete coincidence that he did. A fact, no doubt, that will be used / is being used in the victim blaming that you are so keen to perpetuate. Now that we’ve cleared THAT up, at least to anyone with an ounce of common sense, let’s talk about your level of ignorance. Anyone who has visited a Walmart’s sporting goods section knows that all their firearms are kept under lock and key. The same can be said about the ammunition as well. HOWEVER BB, pellet, and air soft guns and ammunition are not. You can plainly see in the video that this gentleman retrieved the weapon in question from the store shelf, and then proceeded to go about his business, not bothering anyone else. He was talking on his cell phone, while that can be annoying, it is in no way menacing to anyone or anything. Unless you’re the type of racist that sees any African American male as a menace to society. And that is clearly what you are, judging by the evidence of your previous statements. This fellow human being and American citizen was gunned down in ignorance. The person claiming to be a former member of the United States Marine Corps, who obviously wasn’t, couldn’t tell the difference between an air rifle and an assault rifle. You jump to his defense by claiming that your son was a Marine, and that he served his country in the Middle East. None that has ANY relevance to this particular case, except that you’re trying to use it as a means to justify your own myopic point of view. You see, Pattie, my father was a Marine who served his country with honor for two tours in Vietnam. After he was discharged, he earned a degree in criminal justice, and became a police officer. And if he were alive today, he would be appalled by this particular case, as well as all the other recent and past cases of police brutality, and overzealous officers who shoot first and justify it later. But most of all Pattie, he would not hesitate to tell YOU exactly how fucking stupid and ignorant you are. In THIS country, someone is supposed to be innocent until PROVEN guilty. Not gunned down and have his past record used as a means to justify this tragedy. Before I go, he would have liked to have said one thing to someone like you. Get ALL the facts, and review ALL the evidence before you open your ignorant mouth, and stop sullying the family that was his Corps, and the badge he wore with pride and honor you stupid cunt. Semper Fi.

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