The Facts That Neither Side Wants to Admit About Gun Control

June 28, 2015   |   Justin King

Justin King
June 28, 2015

(TFC) Washington, DC  – A church was shot up by a lunatic. The US government never lets a tragedy or crisis pass without attempting to find a new way to restrict the American people. So, we can expect a renewed push for gun control. There is a lot of propaganda about gun control. So much so that the truth has been lost.

The National Rifle Association (NRA) would have you believe that guns stop murders. The gun control lobby would have you believe that gun control reduces murders. They are both wrong. Gun bans have always had the same effect once implemented: none. They do not create a (sustained) period of increased murders, nor do they reduce the rate of homicides. The gun control crowd is currently stomping their feet and screaming “No, it reduces violence! I’ve seen the statistics.” What you probably saw were studies that point to reduced instances of “gun murders,” not murder. The pro-gun crowd is screaming that gun bans cause crime. At least this is grounded in reality. Typically, there is a spike in murders immediately after a ban, but it is short lived.

Gun control is designed to stop people from killing each other, at least that’s what we are always told. Let’s take a look at the data:

United Kingdom: The UK enacted its handgun ban in 1996. From 1990 until the ban was enacted, the homicide rate fluctuated between 10.9 and 13 homicides per million. After the ban was enacted, homicides trended up until they reached a peak of 18.0 in 2003. Since 2003, which incidentally was about the time the British government flooded the country with 20,000 more cops, the homicide rate has fallen to 11.1 in 2010. In other words, the 15-year experiment in a handgun ban has achieved absolutely nothing.

Ireland: Ireland banned firearms in 1972. Ireland’s homicide rate was fairly static going all the way back to 1945. In that period, it fluctuated between 0.1 and 0.6 per 100,000 people. Immediately after the ban, the murder rate shot up to 1.6 per 100,000 people in 1975. It then dropped back down to 0.4. It has trended up, reaching 1.4 in 2007.

Australia: Australia enacted its gun ban in 1996. Murders have basically run flat, seeing only a small spike after the ban and then returning almost immediately to preban numbers. It is currently trending down, but is within the fluctuations exhibited in other nations.

Plain and simple. Gun control has no significant impact on murder rates. Removing firearms does not typically create massive lawlessness. It is a moot point. These figures aren’t a secret. Why would the governments of these nations want a disarmed populace? For the answer, it is best to look at a nation that has had long-time gun bans that is currently relaxing their laws. Russia recently relaxed its firearms laws. For the first time in recent memory, a Russian citizen can carry a firearm. The prohibited items speak volumes about what a government’s motive behind disarming the population is. Russia has allowed “smoothbore long barrelled guns, pistols, revolvers, and other firearms, as well as Tasers, and devices equipped with teargas.” That’s almost everything, what is still banned? Rifles. So the Russian government has made it clear that the real objective is to remove rifles from civilian hands. The reasoning is pretty clear: you need rifles to overthrow a government.

The Real Reason Gun Control Will Never Work:

Poverty has a greater correlation to violent crime than access to firearms. Education and poverty are directly linked. In short, we don’t have a gun problem in the United States, we have a cultural problem.Home Depot. Most people in the gun control lobby know nothing about firearms or their construction. Everything you need to manufacture firearms is available at Home Depot. The materials needed to manufacture a 12 gauge shotgun cost about $20. If someone wanted to build a fully automatic Mac-10 style submachine gun, it would probably cost about $60. Every electrician, plumber, and handyman in the country has the materials necessary to manufacture firearms in their shop. The items are completely unregulated. They aren’t like the chemicals necessary to manufacture methamphetamines. How is the battle against that black market working out?

We have a society that panders to the basest desires and instincts. One of those is violence. We live in a society where women are given dirty looks for breastfeeding in a restaurant, while over their heads on the wall-mounted television plays a movie that graphically depicts someone being tortured to death. We are desensitized to violence, and we have a generation of people that do not have the coping skills necessary to deal with reality.

Firearms are the Pandora’s Box of the United States. The box is open, it can’t be closed through legislation. If you want to change society, you have to actually change the whole of society. You can’t blame an inanimate object that’s availability has absolutely no correlation to murder and expect to end violence.


This article (The Facts That Neither Side Wants to Admit About Gun Control) originally appeared on The Fifth Column and was used with permission. Tune in! Anti-Media Radio airs Monday through Friday @ 11pm Eastern/8pm Pacific. Help us fix our typos: edits@theantimedia.org.

Author: Justin King

Justin King joined Anti-Media as an independent journalist in July of 2014. His topics of interest include activism, human rights, international relations, and military affairs. Born in Japan, he currently resides in the United States.

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  1. So over 10,000 gun deaths per annum in the USA compared to less than 1/10 of that in countries with similar economies is a meaningless statistic. Justin King has his head buried in the sand. If the events of 2001 where only 3000 died were considered a national disaster how come over three times that every year is considered to be an inalienable right. Is it every patriotic american's duty to be shot by a fellow citizen?

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  2. maybe it isnt just about gun control, its about something different. I live in argentina, south america, and we wiil never understand why almost all known serial killers and mass shooters are from the usa, hell, canada has more guns. Also I think Justin King is just a little paranoid, if people want to overthrow a government they will find the way to do it.

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  3. Heart disease and lung cancer kill more than guns, but nobody's going to ban cheeseburgers and cigarettes. It doesn't matter what the number is, what matters is that people kill each other just as much without guns as with them, as pointed out by the statistics given here.

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  8. Except those countries doesn't really have similar economies. Median wealth might be similar but wealth inequality in the United States is greater than in the UK, Germany, France, Canada, Japan and Australia. The USA also lags behind in education as well.

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  9. Justin King Nice try Justin but murder rates aren't the same, US is much higher than similar countries and probably because guns are so readily available. Are you saying the murder rate would stay the same if access to guns wasn't so easy? If I have a gun, especially something with rapid fire I can dispatch more people, more quickly. In a domestic argument the presence of a gun is more likely to lead to a homicide. It takes less than a second for an angry person to pull a trigger. You are 4 times more likely to be shot by a policeman than a terrorist, another product of a gun obsessed society. Every year a few small children are killed accidentally by their mother's gun. You know, the one which makes them safer. The right to bear arms was sensible when it was included in the constitution but the US stopped being a frontier nation full of wild animals and hostile indigenous people over 100 years ago.

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  10. It's almost like people who want to kill others (for reasons that no one wants to be responsible for exploring or doing anything about) are going to find a way to do it whether or not we completely hand over our basic human right to self-preservation. But let's just rely on "authority" to protect us since that concept isn't fucking murky at all.

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  11. Yeah, try giving free gun access to any citizen in a country like mine (Brasil) or most in South America and you will end up with a civil war. Did you stop to think and compare the countries you wrote about with those with actual problems? Ofc it is a social problem – and most humans aren't ready to have a gun in their hands.

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  12. i can make bullets just like i can make a full auto sten gun at home depot. you cant ban knowledge.

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  13. What Mr. King is saying is that it's not about saving lives. Gun control or gun freedom whichever side you choose, are both political pawns being used to elicit emotion and encourage people to choose sides.

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  14. One point missed entirely is that since Australia banned semi-automatic friearms nearly twenty years ago we have had no mass shootings…

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  15. So there are more individuals killing 1 person? How is that any better than 1 person killing 10?

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  16. All the countries mentioned have less people being killed with firearms. None of them had a problem with mass shootings every month. Analyse the statistics any way you like, the facts speak for themselves.

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  17. Yeah…..forget semi-automatics.

    Is ANYONE – especially you f**ktard liberals – going to ask Obama why he made NO mention of the 70 BLACK people that were shot the other weekend as well?

    Seems that the liberal in chief only makes this a national issue when whites are shooting……he just kinda ignores that massive crime/murder rates of blacks….

    Not surprised.

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  18. Anthony Bones Reid

    Indeed – next time some f**ktard from Australia or Canada or whereever kills someone in a drunk-driving accident, we'll all call for the ban of booze….

    Morons.

    The overwhelming truth is that liberal-Obama has had a hard-on for guns since well before he was elected. He says dick about the blacks killing each other off in the hundreds and only sticks his head out when some white kid starts popping off shots.

    Here's a quiz for all of the anti-gun advocates: How many of the psychopaths that have committed mass-murders in the US in the last 10 years WERE NOT on some sort of medication aimed at depression or some mental disease?

    Answer: none. They were ALL of Rx medications for mental health….the type that make the mental problem worse…..

    ….but Obama can't attack the medical Rx manufacturers…..they fund his campaign and helped write Obamacare….

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  19. Wallace Prince May be, but still the US is known for having the lunatics killing people at churches and schools. That's enough reason for me to be against the free access. Also, the US government is Pro Violence and so are most of the citizens there, what kind of world are we trying to build? One with people with respect or one with people that solve problems with guns? To reach the top, we have to build good pillars – and that is NOT violence.

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  20. Doug Stenson Hey Doug – just curious – how did all of the hood rats in Chicago get their guns?

    The local gun show?

    And I'm sure Obama has a plan for dealing with violence "outside" of the caucasian community, right?

    Here's a plan: disarm the hoodrats, elect a president who ISN'T getting busted for sending semi's to drug dealers in Mexico and give us a leader who isn't hiding a botched gun running scandal (benghazi) while simultaneously attempting to disarm the US…..then you'll have listeners……..

    Everyone else already knows that the pansy in the WH is scared sh*tless of guns himself…….while failing to understand that guns put "the people" on the same playing field as the politicians they elect.

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  21. Google: how to make a bomb. Find it easily – then understand how pointless your comment is.

    9/11 unfolded with not a single gun shot.

    If people want to kill themselves while taking out others…..there's basically nothing that can prevent it.

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  22. You also have very few historically violent minorities……..

    Big – d*mn – difference.

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  23. This is ballocks. He talks about the UK having a handgun ban like before that we were all allowed to carry handguns, but that's just shite. The handgun ban made it illegal to keep and shoot them at gun clubs, after some nutter stole a load and used them to commit mass murder. Here's a fact: America, the country with more guns per million than any country in the world, is the only country that has multiple mass shootings and murders in its schools, churches and cinemas every year. In fact, it's the only country that has them at all.

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  24. Gt, if you say so. I've seen a lot more evidence of American school shootings myself. Plus, how many people can you stab vs shoot? Not the same ball game. China has a population 4x that of the US. You made a poor argument, poorly.

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  25. Dennis Polley Also, you know how many people died in that mass stabbing? 0. Can you say the same for gun violence GT?

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  26. While it may be true that a person can be killed by things other than guns, I'd feel a lot safer against someone with a knife than someone with a gun. There is an obvious connection between massacres and numbers of guns owned. Clearly something needs to be done to fix this problem.

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  27. ks, thank you. Even I didn't realise it was that bad. What an awful place America really is

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  28. Another point missed entirely.

    Population of the ENTIRE contienent of Austrialia. 23 million.

    Population of Los Angeles county. 10 million.

    Keep in mind some our cities are larger in population than some countries. (Especially when we talk about Europe).

    We are going to have a lot more of everything when you mix more poverty, more crazy people and more civil liberties.

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  29. The gun control lobby uses correlation to "prove" it's points all of the time. Not taking sides here, but it happens on both sides of this issue.

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  30. Vinícius Müller The mass killings happen in Gun free Zones set up by one side who thinks criminals intent on murdering people will abide by a sign.

    Look it up, 92% of all mass shootings have happened in Gun Free Zones.

    Mental health in this country is also kept private, so no one else can know when someone is a lunatic waiting to do something awful.

    Guns are not the problem and banning them won't change a thing other than make it harder for people to defend themselves.

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  31. Brian Boone Yep, get rid of the Gun Free Zones and allow people to carry firearms everywhere. Criminals are only stopped when someone of greater authority (and that does not mean police) stops them by overcoming or overwhelming their force.

    These lunatics shoot up schools BECAUSE they know no one else is allowed to carry a gun into a school. They KNOW everyone is unarmed so it's like shooting fish in a barrel. Same thing with the theaters and churches. Research it for yourself.

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  32. Sorry Dennis, I forgot which country was the one that wouldn't prosecute ring of rapists for almost two decades because they thought it would be racist. Care to remind me? This whole world is fucked up. Not just to the US, but your jolly old UK as well.

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  33. NTI didn't realise this was a competition. Maybe you should look into why the last pope resigned and his role in covering up 40 years of child abuse and rape in the Catholic church across America. Then again, child abuse and rape aren't even classed as voilent crimes in America, unlike the UK, so maybe you think that's kind of ok? Yup, you're right. The whole world is fucked up, mainly down to America, which is way more fucked up than anywhere else. You're like the world's biggest teenager throwing a tantrum. With a gun.

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  34. Dennis Polley Cars kill a LOT more people. We should ban cars. Doctors kill alot more people. We should ban doctors. Food allergies kill a lot more people. We should ban food. Hey.. I have an idea. Lets start taking better care of our crazy people who need help and not medicate people who DON'T need the meds.. then we will have more stable people.

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  35. Actually, the Chinese man that walked around stabbing people killed around 30 people and wounded over 100 others. He did more damage with a single knife than any mass murderer with a gun and even more damage than most bombers.

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  36. You make so interesting point but that does not imply they are valid. " You can’t blame an inanimate object that’s availability has absolutely no correlation to murder and expect to end violence." You really believe "no correlation", that is the ignorance of an NRA argument, show me one example of a mass murder using a hunting knife. Those countries which you quoted all those statics, have the same violent movies, video games, and everything else imported from America, the difference is you don't have to worry that an argument with someone is going to turn into a shoot

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  37. The point being made is that all gun control does is reduce gun crime and gun crime only. It has no positive effect on the overall crime rate. Say you live in a city with 1,000 murders per year and about a third of them are committed with guns. The article is saying that if the city banned guns, the killers will just use other means and 1,000+ people would be killed every year until it balanced back out at the normal 1,000 per year. That also leads to the point that wasn't mentioned; why there is a spike in crime after a gun ban, and that's because gun bans take away much of an average citizen's ability to defend against an armed attacker by taking away their ability to use a gun in self defense. So why reduce gun crime of all it's going to do is cause all other crime to spike?

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  38. Australia has had multiple mass shootings since '96. This is the internet age. You can't hide behind that lie anymore.

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  39. You got the nail on the head on why the Brazilian government wants to keep it's citizens disarmed: the first thing an armed Brazilian populace would do is overthrow your corrupt and inept government. The Founding Fathers knee what they were doing when they made guns a right, here: an armed populace is a deterent to government corruption and tyranny. At least, as long as that populace stands together and doesn't, oh, I don't know, say turn on each other over petty politics.

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  40. Absolute nonsense. Written by a first year journal student just before they failed their first year.

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  41. Mark Courtenay did you even look at the link yourself? How many on that list were mass shootings? I saw serial killings, Arson causing death, etc but only one mass shooting, a murder suicide where he killed his wife and three children before turning the gun on himself which isn't exactly someone going out and opening up on a room or crowd randomly shooting. Remember that according to your own FBI a mass shooting isn't deemed as such unless four or more people are shot dead.

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  42. James B. Hayes One. Which, as I said to Mark Courtenay, it was a murder suicide rather than an attack randomly shooting people which is what seems to happen in the US every week or two. Stop living in denial. Your NRA has just lobbied the Senate successfully to stop an amendment that would have prevented people on the terrorist watch list buying firearms. That's what you call freedom? (edit was for a typo)

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  43. In the UK crime in inner city areas is much higher than rural areas but death rates from shooting in rural areas is much greater in rural areas. Now it is also the case that gun ownership is much higher in rural areas but that can't be the reason because the writer of this article states gun ownership makes no difference.

    Basically Amarican males will cling to any statistic which supports them keeping their toys. They want to feel like a big man with a gun. The rest of the world thinks they are pathetic.

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  44. Firearms are not "Toys" asshole. Go back and read WHY the Founding Fathers put it in the Constitution. It's not about Squirrel Hunting. I don't need a gun to be a man. The rest of the world stands and watches while Terrorist kill their unarmed cops. Think Paris…. including the Charlie Hebo atacks, when they shot unarmed Cops lying on the ground with their hands up and women who were cowering in a fetal position. No chance of fighting back. You can bitch and whine about my Guns all you want. But I'm not going down like that. I'm sure the Dead People and their families felt better about it, knowing those guns they were using were toally illegal in France.

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  45. Justin King you have so skewed numbers to make your point that gun control has no effect you should be ashamed of yourself. It's blood on your hands for spewing this gun loving propaganda. You just love your guns admit it.

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  46. Talk about cherry picking your data and hiding relavent information. Gun ownership was/has (pick your verb) never been all that wide spread in recent times in either England or Ireland, and the murder rates far below the U.S. average, so of the fewer murders that have been committed in either country, far fewer were ever committed with firearms, particularly hand guns, than in the U.S. — So reducing or even nearly eliminating the already vanishingly small number of firearm homicides from the statistics had very little effect on the overall statistics.

    Only a mathmatical ignoramus – or a data blind ideolouge – would fail to note that.

    Australia differs also, the population be far more urbanized than in the U.S. — and the motivation there for eliminating guns wasn't the homicide rate per se anyway — it was *mass shooting* which they finally got fed up with and decided to do something about.

    Which, please note, HAS worked. Pre ban there had been a fairly regular occurance of a mass shooting. Since the ban there have been zero.

    So, Anti-Media, you hired this idiot, why??

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  47. If you're going to have a character requirment to post to FB, shouldn't you, um, note that BEFORE someone clicks? Is Justin in charge of this feature?

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